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Aerobatic FAI F3C Contest > FAI F3C WORLDS Poland 2007

Dwight
Senior Heliman
Location: West Chicago, IL

I would like to personally thank the people or person responsible for allowing me to SIT OUT in the finals when I should have been flying. One must ask...why make rules and vote on them to be implimented if they can be changed without a vote or unanimous agreement? I can imagine how the French team (Laurent, Stephane and Pascal) feels knowing they should have had a podium finish but instead they get to watch.
Dwight

08-07-2007 05:18 PM

Tobias1
Heliman
Location: Germany

In the General section of the sporting code of the FAI one can read:

3.9 GENERAL RULES FOR FAI SPORTING EVENTS
3.9.1 RULES FOR FIRST CATEGORY EVENTS. The General Rules for First
Category Events shall be contained in the relevant sections of the Sporting Code.
Competition rules for a particular event shall not conflict with the rules in the Sporting Code.
They shall be approved in advance by the FAI Air Sport Commission concerned and must not be changed thereafter.

To me, the local rule was a rule for a particular event, it was approved by the FAI Air Sport Commission concerned (i.e. the CIAM) and so it MUST NOT be changed thereafter.

Maybe, I can´t read or understand this rule, but to me it looks like a severe mistake has been made by someone at the WC.

Tobias

08-07-2007 06:50 PM

sneu
Heliman
Location: San Diego

The FAI Jury on the contest site has the final say about the conduct of the contest. If they decided that the scoring method was correct that is really the final word on the subject for this WC. The Jury has to put their signatures on the results before they are considered final. If there was some dispute then a protest should have been made before the close of the event.

Depending on the nature of the problems that came up I am sure there will be a discussion at the next FAI meeting to resolve the issues.

Steve Neu

08-07-2007 08:17 PM

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Tobias1
Heliman
Location: Germany

The sporting code says:
It is the responsibility of the Jury to see that the event is conducted in accordance with the relevant provisions of the Sporting Code Section 4b, c and d, and they are empowered to make all decisions dictated by any circumstances which may arise and to rule on disputes.
The FAI Jury at World and Continental Championships shall remain independent of the organiser(s) to enable them to enforce the rules of the FAI and act as an independent arbiter in disputes between the
organiser(s) and the competitors.

To me, this sounds like the Jury has to care for the observance of the CIAM and FAI rules rather then to abolish them, but maybe I´m wrong.
Tobias Schulz

08-07-2007 08:39 PM

sneu
Heliman
Location: San Diego

"To me, this sounds like the Jury has to care for the observance of the CIAM and FAI rules rather then to abolish them, but maybe I´m wrong.
Tobias Schulz"

Without inside information from the event it is impossible to make any conclusions as to what should or could have been done. While the FAI does make mistakes they do try to be fair. If you have inside information that the jury was wrong then I suggest that you address the complaint to the CIAM through your FAI representative.

Steve Neu

08-07-2007 11:48 PM

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Michalm
Heliman
Location: Warsaw, Poland

Photo relation from final day of FAI WC F3C Wloclawek 2007

Over 380 pictures from final day of FAI World Championship F3C 2007, Wloclawek, Poland. Made from "press pool' position

http://www.epheli.pl/modules.php?op...iewtopic&t=5680

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Michalm - Poland

08-08-2007 08:37 AM

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speedaircraft
Heliman
Location: Nice "France"

Photos

Hello, I have just updated my site http://speedaircraft.blog4ever.com/...dex-13742.html, there are photographs of FAI F3C WORLDS 2007 Poland

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David

08-08-2007 10:47 AM

John M
Senior Heliman
Location: Next door to the Wombles UK

Well done to all, As a GB supporter I too had a fab time in Poland.
I do know someone who might be able to comment on the men in Poland

He had a very close encounter!

Too close!

I too was dumbfounded by the initial scores and upon first appearance they did not make logical sense.

I have to admit after reading this thread, Tobias1 and the example provided makes a lot more sense. Just means that making the fly-offs would be a total surprise for the pilots too.

08-08-2007 10:59 AM

Michalm
Heliman
Location: Warsaw, Poland

New F3C programme for 2008, a lot of changes, some 3D elements, looks very nice. Preview of this new shedulle was made during FAI WC in Poland.

Enjoy

http://www.epheli.pl/modules.php?op...iewtopic&t=5686

Michalm - Poland

08-08-2007 11:48 AM

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rotoboy
Heliman
Location: Paris-France

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And btw: with the system used after the change these two scores still read: 212=623.3 and 218.5=613.5

Yes, you are right... I didn't realised it (too tired I guess

)

However, I'm still convinced that the average difference is more due to the pilots balance than to the weather conditions differences. The conditions were very similar the two first days and I can certify that Egger flown in very windy conditions too (he flown 2 or 3 pilots before me).
The problem is that in flight group B there was 4 japanese pilots who always make high scores. In group A, only Scott and Curtis are above 220 for first round. For the second round, only Scott and Wayne are above 220.
So your result depends on which group you are, that is not fair. This system can work only if the two groups are well balanced but it's impossible to achieve. It should be removed even if I understand that it was a good idea in case of big weather conditions differences between two days.

08-08-2007 11:52 AM

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