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Gasser Model RC Helicopters > Coleman fuel in a Zenoha G230RC?

TVAILLANCOURT
Senior Heliman
Location: Edmonton Alberta Canada

heli_GAL I'm just going to add 2 oz to a can of Colman.Maybe 3oz to break in.This is my third Vario ship.Dragon and Kobold looking forward to the pull start,not a big fan of the bottom start cone thing.Can't wait till thursday.Later
T.

01-29-2003 Over year old.

Al Magaloff
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Location: 12,199 Posts- Enough Time Wasted. See Ya!

Tom, this is easy to confuse. A US gallon is the gallon we are speaking of. 2oz of the Amsoil 100:1 in one US gallon, will yield a mix ratio of about 60:1. I would not recommend the Coleman fuel for the first gallon, though, as it can run hotter than gasoline.

01-29-2003 Over year old.

TVAILLANCOURT
Senior Heliman
Location: Edmonton Alberta Canada

rchelial, Ok I hear ya.Run the first gallon with gas then switch to Colman.
Oh and buy the way my name is not TOM

Maybe another Vaillancourt out there who knows.
It's the gas smell that I can't stand so Is there anyone out there who has run in a new RC230 on Colman,please stand up.I would like to here from ya also.
thanks

01-30-2003 Over year old.

Naomi
Elite Veteran
Location: Ontario, Canada

Here is from Dan about the mixture, I got from him.

-----Original Message-----
From: Daniel Grandmaison [mailto:variocan@nbnet.nb.ca]
Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 5:06 PM
To: mzcyberprincess@rogers.com
Subject: Re: Fuel Mixture and gear switch assignment.

Here is the way I see it.

OK
1cc = 1ml
so 50cc= 50ml
and
4.75 liter = 4,750ml
so 4750 devided by 50 = 95 so ratio is 95:1

1 oz = 30ml
so 2oz=60ml

so 4750 devided by 60 = so ratio is 79:1

The AMSoil is designed for 100:1 there is no harm running richer at 79:1

Daniel Grandmaison
Eastern Helicopters
http://www.VarioCanada.com
VarioCan@nbnet.nb.ca

Naomi

01-30-2003 Over year old.

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Al Magaloff
rrMaster
Location: 12,199 Posts- Enough Time Wasted. See Ya!

TVAILLANCOURT, sorry, I thought it was TOM. Naomi, this metric thing and the product name is confusing our numbers. The Amsoil product that I prefer is Amsoil 100:1 Synthetic. Amsoil makes other similar products. The Amsoil 100:1 is designed to run at 100:1 mix in some engine/racing combinations. BillMe and a few others, have successfully run at 100:1 in properly broken-in and expertly tuned engines. Your 79/80:1 mix is for use after break-in, not for break-in. 60:1 is a good place to start, and TVAILLANCOURT, adding an ounce or two extra is counter productive. I've explained this before. The more you use, past what is necessary, actually takes the place of gasoline in the mixture. The less gas, the leaner and the hotter the engine runs. Not the ideal set-up for break-in. As always, your mileage may vary.

01-30-2003 Over year old.

Naomi
Elite Veteran
Location: Ontario, Canada

Ok Al Thanks for the input.. I just might add a few more CC of Amsoil in it to brings up the oil content a bit.. it should be alright. I don't really feel like to get my engine running too low on oil.

Naomi

01-30-2003 Over year old.

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Billme
Key Veteran
Location: MS

Al is correct...You want to run the first gallon with Reg gas....

I recommend 2 ounces of oil when running the camper fuel...Do not cut the oil less than this while running camper fuel...there is no need to add more...Is the camper fuel sold as a US gallon, (128 ounces) in Canada? All of my mixtures are set to the US gallon...

Regards,
Bill Meador

01-30-2003 Over year old.

TVAILLANCOURT
Senior Heliman
Location: Edmonton Alberta Canada

The can will probably have on it 1 US gallon 3.75 liters.So how many oZ for 3.75 liters of gas. 3.1 oz for 50:1???Bill

Gas for the first gallon it is.Thanks

01-31-2003 Over year old.

Billme
Key Veteran
Location: MS

2.5 ounces is 50:1....This is fine to use for the first gallon...Each pilot has his on way of breaking -in engines...I let mine idle for at least 8 ounces of fuel...I then run a tank on the ground, while running between idle, and the rotor speed I wish to run...Alternating between the two keeps the temp from being constant...After that tank, I bring it to a hover, while making sure everything is relatively smooth, and then keep it in forward flight, not letting it hover for long periods of time...After about 3 gallons, I'll do lite aerobatics if its not a scale machine

Al (rchelial) has a pretty good grip on running this oil, so his advice is solid in my book

Regards,
Bill

01-31-2003 Over year old.

Naomi
Elite Veteran
Location: Ontario, Canada

Bill is it a good idea, since AMSoil is 100:1 mix.. if you mixed it at 50:1 would that makes any difference , or because of the way it's designed, should it be just mixed it only at 100:1 ratio? I know other oil has marking of 50:1 , those probably good to mixed it in that ratio.. Not sure what type of oil Travis is going to use?

Naomi

01-31-2003 Over year old.

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TVAILLANCOURT
Senior Heliman
Location: Edmonton Alberta Canada

Heli_GAL. Dan included the same Amsoil 100:1 in my goody box. I aslo have klotz sysnthetic on hand.
This is my first gas engine so I'm going to do what ever Bill has suggested.
I'm going for 2.5 oz per 3.75 liters of gas.

Geezz 3 gallons before aerobatics.Looks like I'm going to have to get out and burn way more fuel.I only burnt 3 gallons(nirto) this year.YA I know... and gas lasts longer too ....man looks like some time in 2005 I'll do my first loop

Thanks to all who replied.

01-31-2003 Over year old.

Naomi
Elite Veteran
Location: Ontario, Canada

Quote
looks like some time in 2005 I'll do my first loop

I hardly doubt it.. that's too funny!

This my second gas model engine.. my first one is a Quadra50S .. not sure how I mixed that fuel.. been a long time ago.. found that engine really gutless.. maybe i mixed the fuel wrong then..

Saw those Camp Fuel in Walmart in Red Metal Can.. is that the White Gas/Ozark Fuelor Coleman Fuel whatever... in different name? I just might add a little bit more AMSoil to my fuel.. just in case..

Naomi

01-31-2003 Over year old.

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TVAILLANCOURT
Senior Heliman
Location: Edmonton Alberta Canada

Dan gave me some figures for mixing also.
Still not sure what the covnversion of US gal is.One says 4.75 liters and the conversion chart says 3.75 liters
Well 3780 ml divided by 60ml gives 63:1
60ml= 2oz
Good starting point.Then after a couple of gallons got to 37.7 ml or 1.5 oz for 100:1.

01-31-2003 Over year old.

Billme
Key Veteran
Location: MS

Heligal said:

Bill is it a good idea, since AMSoil is 100:1 mix.. if you mixed it at 50:1 would that makes any difference , or because of the way it's designed, should it be just mixed it only at 100:1 ratio? I know other oil has >marking of 50:1 , those probably good to mixed it in that ratio

Amsoil only recommends running more oil, ONLY when the condistion warrent...Even in racing application, they recommend 80:1...On their website, they state that you can bring it down to 50:1.....But I got to tell you, the condistions would really have to be bad to use 50:1...
I personally break my engine in with the amount I'm going to run...I don't tell folks to do this..I only know I can do it...
When you learn to run this way, you understand you don't need all that oil, besides, more oil requires you to run a more leaner mixture on the needles....Also, running excess, even with amsoil, you can get build up...
To me, the most important part of the break-in, is the idle for 8 ounces ..
After about 2 gallons, you can let her rip tatorchip, if you want...These engines are tuff as heck, when tuned properly...I just like to baby mine...I've rip them right out of the box, and no real ill effects..Doing the method right, insures a better chance for longer life...
Amsoil 100:1 is designed to run at , you guest it? 100:1...But for our application, and to help with those that are weary about using such mixtures..I have come up with these mixture ratios to help those folks come into the 21 century, and try to learn something along the way...
When I say don't run below a certain amount using this fuel..I mean it...Because I understand the properties of the fuel...When someone wants to run more...I just let them do it, and watch them learn from it...
Regards,
Bill

01-31-2003 Over year old.

Naomi
Elite Veteran
Location: Ontario, Canada

Thanks Bill for the insight for eternal grateful

I added a few more CCs to the fuel that should boost up the oil content a bit.. Then...

I did this..

Then.. Lift Off!!.

I ran about half a tank.. Wow.. can't believe it does guzzle a bit of gas fast at this stage.. I think half tank last about 10-12 minutes.. didn't even full throttle.. imagine if i did that.. the bird will be so high..

Naomi

01-31-2003 Over year old.

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Al Magaloff
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Location: 12,199 Posts- Enough Time Wasted. See Ya!

NICE!!!!!

01-31-2003 Over year old.

Naomi
Elite Veteran
Location: Ontario, Canada

Thanks AL.. Love this birdy.. such a nice sound .. neighbors thought it was a snow blower goiing..

.. No complaining of those nitro heli engine noise..

Naomi

01-31-2003 Over year old.

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