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New & Emerging R/C Helicopters > New Kinetic 50
 
 
ARMSMASTER
Veteran
Location: spokane, wa

I just got my new Kinetic 50 today. It is a 50 size Century Hawk Pro down to the last bolt. This is going into a MD530 fuse. I will test hop the mechanics this weekend and then the fun begins. It took me all of about an hour to assemble the heli. And yes I went through all of the pre-assembled parts and checked for locktite. The grub screws in the tail gear shafts needed to be locktighted, the factory applied too much locktight on the tail shaft. The pitch slider was sized up onto the tail hub. Got the whole assembly torn down an cleaned up. Now all move smooth. The thing overall is a nice heli. I have owned Hawk Pro's for several years and just got out of owning one this last fall. Now I got one that has a little more power and size. I will keep everyone updated on the rest of the build when I get time.

Perry

P.S. When I get around to listing what I am outfitting this heli with most of you are goint to think I am nuts. I will post later.

Caution or the Earth will Swallow you Up!
03-07-2007 Over year old.
 
 
ARMSMASTER
Veteran
Location: spokane, wa

Ok, the build is complete. I still need to do the pitch set ups on the heli. The manual is one of the best that I have looked at. It is even better than anything that Century ever put out for thier Hawk line. Even the beginner would be able to assemble this heli. And it does even advise you to check all of the pre-assembled parts for locktight. I left most of the heli stock. I added the head button, anti-rotation bracket, and an aluminum tail fin bracket. I may add the new turbo cooling fan for the scale project as it provides about 15% more colling. Otherwise a solid 50 size heli for the price. With the abundant supply of Hawk and Raven parts this would be a great first heli for just about anyone. As to what I outfitted my Kinetic with:
Kinetic 50 kit
Evolution .52nxH
Futaba 401 gyro
Jr DS821 servo's
Jr 8417 servo on tail

Remember no laghing. This is a budget minded heli. I will post a performance write up after I fly it this weekend.

Perry

Caution or the Earth will Swallow you Up!
03-07-2007 Over year old.
 
 
heli_headcaseKey Veteran - Location: Hovering around Atlanta -
But did you check...

Hi Perry,

Did you take the head apart and see if there was any grease in the thrust bearings? Mine were essentially dry.

Also hope you were smarter than I was and inserted the lower muffler bolt in the cylinder before capturing the engine in the frames. Maybe this is only an issue with the OS 50 Hyper but I didn't discover it until after all frame components were finalized.

Did you check all the linkage balls for full thread installation? I removed a majority of them and reinstalled with a tiny bit of slow CA on the threads.

I added a .5mm shim under the C clip under the main gear. Wanted a closer mesh between the crown and tail pinion gears.

Keep an eye on the forward ends of the boom supports at the attach points to the frames. The anodize finish could act as a temporary insulator for electrical contact through the M3 bolt. If intermittent contact is made, it could be a source of glitching (PPM) or lockout (PCM).

Last thing for now, mix some Collective to Elevator. You'll notice that the swash rocks fore-aft with collective changes. Won't take much mix but if the swash isn't level through its range it makes trim feel all wrong.

My K50 is moving and flying well as visible from pix taken yesterday, March 8, '07. If I wasn't happy with the way it handled there's no way I'd be as low as in the second picture with my photographer as close as he was. Man, he sucked in a bunch of 30% nitro getting that shot






HHC

So many heli's - too little time...
03-09-2007 Over year old.
 
 
doorman
Elite Veteran
Location: E.Berne, NY

Engine Info..

I would be interested in hearing how this Evolution .52nxH engine performs.. I have seen the ad's for it, and it sounds good... let us know....
And good luck with your project...

Stan

If there is a cure for this, please don't tell me about it!!!
03-09-2007 Over year old.
 
 
ARMSMASTER
Veteran
Location: spokane, wa

HHC,
I will check the thrust bearings in the head this morning. Never thought of it. As to the muffler bolt, no I did not install the bolt first. I got the long bolt to fit none the less. I ground the side frame slightly to make it esier for the muffler bolt to install. The real issue is that the muffler that I have had a striped thread on the lower bolt hole also. I needed to install a nut and washer on the back side. As you are well aware of there is very little clearence between the muffler and the side frame. My solution was to grind down the width of the mounting flange on the mufler to give me room for a nut and washer. The muffler holds well. Also the Evolution motor with the larger than average cooling head does fit into the fan shroud. No need to grind down the head as one person did in raptor techniqu. Not sure why that person did just not cut the fan shourd to fit the cooling head. Why would anyone grind the cooling head instead of the plastic fan shroud???? Lack of forsight???

Stan, As to the Evolution motor, it is running great. So far I have not had any needle issues as some have talked about in the forum. I ran two tanks through the engine on a test stand with a 10x7 prop on it with 15% airplane fuel with 20% oil. That gave me the oppertunity to get everything adjusted first. I am running 30% heli in it now that it is installed in the heli. I had to richen the high end some but otherwise it ran fine. The engine only died one me two or three times as I was adjusting final trim and throttle hold settings which is normal. Otherwise I was well satisfied with the runability of the engine. Is it a hyper? no, but it does the job for the price. I am putting this into a scale fuse and am not concerned with the extra power. I will fly it some more this Sunday and let everyone know my thoughts on the performance. Loops, rolls and Inverted hovers were fine on the test hop. Yes you herd it. After one tank of just hovering and tweeking curves, I started playing with the heli. Engine ran fine. If it had even hickuped during the initial hovering I would not have started playing as much as I did. In fact I like the heli so much and am so familuar with the Hawk Pro I am tempted to buy another one and put a Hyper in it for a thrasher heli. For the price I would feel better about torturing this instead of risking my Airskipper or my PMax. Anything else you want to know just let me know.

Perry

Caution or the Earth will Swallow you Up!
03-10-2007 Over year old.
 
 
ARMSMASTER
Veteran
Location: spokane, wa

HHC,
Good call on the thrust bearings. Mine were dry as well. I had checked to make sure the spindle nuts were snug when I assembled the heli, just did not take the head completly apart. Problem is now fixed. Did you have any other issues with your kit. Mine had the tail pitch slider seized to the tail hub. The factory used way too much locktite and the slider was stuck. I had to dissassemble the whole thing and take a heat gun to it to get things apart. Then some 600 grit emery paper to get rid of the locktite so the slider woul move freely. You would think that some one in the assembly plant would have delt with this as the pitch lever arm was not ever seated to the pitch slider ball. It was just left loose. Some one had to notice. Also the tiebar that connects the two canopy mounts together was only threaded on one side. No problem, I went into my old Hawk parts bin and had an extra. I also checked all of the ball links and they were all fully seated. The swash balls did not have any locktite on them(the ones that thread into the metal portion of the swash plate. I may opt for the metal swash when GP gets them in. The only upgrade item besides the head button and anti-rotation bracket I am going to add to this heli is going to be the new turbo cooling fan. Reason why is that it provides 15% more cooling then the stock plastic fan. This is going into a scale fuse. If you are using the stock plastic fan did you do the fan mod for the starter shaft?? It helps out on the stock fans on the hawk pro's. Just put about a 45* bevel cut on the backside of the slot where the start shaft pins fit into the fan. This way the start shaft fits into the fan easire and there is less of a chance of breaking the plastic fan. More info can be found in the Century forum. I can hardly waite for the scale fuse to get here next week. Now I need to order up a light set for it. I will keep things posted as I figure out more stuff. I may get another one of these for general flying. I always liked the dependability of my old hawk pro.

Perry

Caution or the Earth will Swallow you Up!
03-10-2007 Over year old.
 
 
heli_headcase
Key Veteran
Location: Hovering around Atlanta

My Issues with the Kinetic 50...

Hi Perry,

Just an FYI, the parrot currently standing on my right arm is also named Perry

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Good call on the thrust bearings.

So far that makes it two for two. I've let Hobbico know about this.

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Did you have any other issues with your kit.

One of the threaded pushrods used either for the throttle or collective was too long. It was the same length at one that goes from the swash inner ring to the Bell mixer on the head. One hole was stripped where a link ball was threaded into a roll bellcrank. The flybar seesaw is kept centered in the main rotorhead by two screws, one contacting the edge of each seesaw pivot bearing. One screw was out of contact by maybe two turns allowing the seesaw to float side-to-side off center.

I didn't care for the what I felt was excessive clearance between the tail drive gears so as I mentioned earlier, I shimmed the main gear up .020" (.5mm).

The start shaft return spring is spaced away from the lower support bearing with a washer that is rubbing on the head of the screw that holds the bearing in its block. Whew! I removed the retaining screw and provided a shim washer to space the original spring washer off of the outer bearing race. Not a critical item but I didn't like the way the factory did this. Where's the bearing going to go with a spring pressing down on it?

One "self inflicted" issue was in my assembly of the fittings in the fuel tank. I was holding the tank in my hands completely outside the frames. Somehow I lost my orientation of which side of the tank was the top and installed the vent line pointing down. This made filling the muffler with fuel way too easy!

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Mine had the tail pitch slider seized to the tail hub. The factory used way too much locktite and the slider was stuck.

Nothing of that magnitude here. There were set screws not set as tight as I liked in the tail drive system. I did a 100% rekitting of the heli before assembling my way. I'd say it was 95% OK save for the few linkage balls not seated fully. But I'll never fly an ARF anything without poking around inside.

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The swash balls did not have any locktite on them(the ones that thread into the metal portion of the swash plate.

There was some on mine but the holding power of the locker was inconsistent. One or two held firm, others spun right out.

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The only upgrade item besides the head button and anti-rotation bracket I am going to add to this heli is going to be the new turbo cooling fan.

Good idea for the scale project. I'm sticking with the stock fan for now. If I see heating issues I'll look into getting the upgrade.

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If you are using the stock plastic fan did you do the fan mod for the starter shaft??

No, never thought of it. I'm just careful to be sure the driver is fully seated before spinning the starter motor.

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As to the muffler bolt, no I did not install the bolt first. I got the long bolt to fit none the less. I ground the side frame slightly to make it esier for the muffler bolt to install.

You answered that question. It's not only the Hyper that needs the bolt installed first. I don't like grinding on stuff. I pulled the engine most of the way out and just managed to slide that pesky bolt in. My muffler is the Audacity Pro Silencer. Fits perfectly but similar to you, I'm having a slight problem with the lower bolt on the muffler side. It's maybe 1mm too long and is contacting the inside of the left frame. That's too bad, it AIN'T commin' out!

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Not sure why that person did just not cut the fan shourd to fit the cooling head. Why would anyone grind the cooling head instead of the plastic fan shroud???? Lack of forsight???

LOL!! Beats me! Some people...


HHC

So many heli's - too little time...
03-10-2007 Over year old.
 
 
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