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New & Emerging R/C Helicopters > Great new helicopter, by John Benario
 
 
JAGNZ
Elite Veteran
Location: Auckland, New Zealand

Wow, I bet that thing flies like it's on rails....well done. I like it, when are you releasing your new kits with all the bits already in it?

Jason Greenwood

Fury Extreme, 2X T600N's, Trex 500, DSX9 2.4
www.3dheli.co.nz
02-20-2007 Over year old.
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V8Buggy (passed)
Veteran
Location: USA

I'm not sure what amazes me the most...

how well this thing flies, or how easy it was. For those of you that don't know John, he builds his helis plus or minus nothing. Yet he put this together in a day or so. I could tell by his second gallon of fuel he was happy with it. Sorry John, but you just couldn't hide that big smile after those great Chaoses.
02-20-2007 Over year old.
 
 
Kinger
Elite Veteran
Location: Columbus, OH

Holy cow that looks cool! Thanks for the informative article on how you did it.
02-21-2007 Over year old.
 
 
Wa11banger
Elite Veteran
Location: Huntsville, Al

Nice rig for sure I am not one to know the difference between underslung or over the top flybar feel, I am sure there is or there wouldn't be the two types in our hobby.

But, the QUK V-Max conversion for Raptor 90's provides all the same upgrade needs minus the underslung Flybar, but adds CCPM and push-pull control surfaces on everything except throttle and tail. The V-Max deffinately flies like it is on rails and tracks better than any other Raptor I have flown but keeps the instant instability necessary for dumping out of stable flight into violence.

Rick

Proud member of the Quick UK, Duralite Flight Systems, V-Blade, and K&B Dream Designs Teams
02-21-2007 Over year old.
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ESWLFSE
Elite Veteran
Location: Terra Ceia, FL USA

John how does the Synergy head fly on mechanical mixing vs. CCPM??
02-22-2007 Over year old.
 
 
TMoore
rrProfessor
Location: Cookeville, TN

I'm not sure the head can tell the difference---can it?

"If you can do it, it ain’t bragging." - Will Rogers
02-22-2007 Over year old.
 
 
ESWLFSE
Elite Veteran
Location: Terra Ceia, FL USA

 No probably not, but I'm sure John can!
02-22-2007 Over year old.
 
 
AzHyper
Veteran
Location: Az.

My guess is this sums it up:
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The flight qualities are everything the Synergy has to offer, but the control inputs are much truer, which proves that even with the many interaction removing adjustments the 14MZ has to offer, the control inputs are still not completely true in a CCPM setup.
With the latest crop of high torque and high speed servos I wonder if we will see some regression across product lines to the traditional mechanical CCPM control systems?
02-22-2007 Over year old.
 
 
Droid
Elite Veteran
Location: Deep down in the Southwest- UK

Well i'm nearly about to fly my Vmax on complete quick uk head on the same servos i was using on my N9, i'll see if i can notice the difference
02-22-2007 Over year old.
 
 
John Benario
Senior Heliman
Location: Atlanta

To all, thanks for the encouraging thoughts. I have come up against a problem that I had not considered. Even though the non-CCPM flies much better than the CCPM, a disadvantage of the mechanical arrangement is there are a lot more pieces to wear and cause slop in the controls. I have flown about 10-12 gallons and the slop is increasing pretty rapidly. When the Raptor was designed the flying was not as abusive as it is now and the wear did not occur as quickly. While the Raptor has been unparalleled as an engine test bed, whether it is a long term replacement for my Synergy is in question right now.

The V-max would solve this issue, but then one is back to more expensive pieces and non-widespread availability of parts, which were two reasons for the Raptor experiment.

John Benario
02-27-2007 Over year old.
 
 
Droid
Elite Veteran
Location: Deep down in the Southwest- UK

John do you have the chrome linkage balls fitted on the N9 bits??
02-27-2007 Over year old.
 
 
sluggo
Elite Veteran
Location: Kitchener Ont

10 to 12 Gallons!!!! What kind of weather do you guys have there???? You built this heli a month ago and you have that much burned already??


Chris
02-27-2007 Over year old.
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V8Buggy (passed)
Veteran
Location: USA

It Was 71, sunny, with a light breeze today at the field where John and I fly...






But, I had to work!!!
02-27-2007 Over year old.
 
 
ESWLFSE
Elite Veteran
Location: Terra Ceia, FL USA

Yes and I go down to Pinehurst for a week and its 40 every day.
02-27-2007 Over year old.
 
 
ININVERNO
Heliman
Location: San Leandro - Ca

Nice job John

Friends forward me you article.
I was Synergy..... I sold it because too expenses in crash.
Now I fly 90 se different machine but reliable.
Last week I received the Vmax ccpm conversion and I was looking for a under fly bar head... top dragon was the favorite, but now N9 head will be the must.
I already order the part, I will assy ASAP the VMAXSYRAPPY and I let you know.

Really, appreciate your job.
Thanks John
05-23-2007 Over year old.
 
 
IYKIST
Veteran
Location: London united kingdom

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It would be awesome if someone like Kasama would pick up on this and offer a "Synergy Like" head upgrade for the R90.
TDG already offer an underslung head similar to the synergy's
05-23-2007 Over year old.
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GB123
Heliman
Location: Wa. usa

John, I'm happy to here that someone else feels the same way about mccpm verses eccpm. I always have liked the feel of mccpm. I own and fly a few eccpm helis. All, seem to suffer some type of interaction. It's a constant annoyance.
I am surprised about your statment about the increasing wear on your Raptor. I own both a Raptor 90(mccpm)and a Fury Extreme(eccpm). I find both to wear at the same rate. Could you please explain as to what parts seem to wear so rapidly. This is a very interesting mod and one I am considering. Just need to think about it somemore, as my favorite is the Raptor and not the Fury. I know it goes against popular opinion but I can't help what I like. At least it handles the same way day in and day out.
06-03-2007 Over year old.
 
 
GScott
Key Veteran
Location: Lewis Center, OH

Any updates on this experiment?
10-16-2007 04:16 PM
 
 
Shiro Muji
Senior Heliman
Location: Japan

Any pictures? I can't download the picture on the 1st thread.

Maxum with Hanson 3D Max, Maxum Nitro, Maxum 30.5cc modified engine, RH Generator, Sceadu .50Hyper
10-18-2007 02:28 AM
 
 
Ravenhyper50
Senior Heliman
Location: Ottawa

Yes more or different pics please ..cant down load the ones posted

MSH Protos 500, SWIFT 550 Carbon, Swift 620SE, DX-7, JR servos
10-19-2007 01:43 AM
 
 
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