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QuickWorldWide Ep and Wet Fuel Helis > Quick 15
 
 
Huey Pilot
Senior Heliman
Location: Netherlands

DOMLOU
The diameter is 8mm.
01-24-2003 Over year old.
 
 
rockcrawler
Veteran
Location: Covington Wa

Why would you want to use that inferior head over the cnc'd
quick head?????
01-24-2003 Over year old.
 
 
Huey Pilot
Senior Heliman
Location: Netherlands

ROCKCRAWLER
I think he want's to use the QUICK head on the VoyagerE.
01-24-2003 Over year old.
 
 
rockcrawler
Veteran
Location: Covington Wa

Ahh............ make total sense now.
I see the wobbly light.
01-24-2003 Over year old.
 
 
domlou
Heliman
Location: Las Vegas

Thanks for the specs!

Eco8Gator on the Ezone.com said he called HHI and they said that an electric Quick .15 will be made avalible. Can anyone confirm this?
01-24-2003 Over year old.
 
 
Safe_Cracker
Key Veteran
Location: Chicago, IL

Niceeee..

I think with an OS 32 sxh it would be sweet just like a 60 with a 90.
01-24-2003 Over year old.
 
 
culverson
Heliman
Location: USA-Down South

Nice small heli, I have a NIB OS 15 that was sitting around for the Hirobo MH-10's I have. So I might look at the specs on this motor to make sure its not to out dated....I am patiently waiting for these to become readily available in the US..As fast as they are selling, it might be a bit before I can get my paws on one.. But something to defitnetly look forward to buying..
01-28-2003 Over year old.
 
 
rockcrawler
Veteran
Location: Covington Wa

Power to weight ratio ??????????????

Well I’m ready to buy one of these but one thing is keeping me from it.
Power to weight ratio.
Has anyone flown one yet???? Is it tame like a 30, or is it
Comparable to a 50, or 90?????
I cannot stand to fly 30's anymore they just bug me.
Please I need some input.
If it can tic toc and do stationary flips consecutively I will take one.
01-28-2003 Over year old.
 
 
Intruder
Senior Heliman
Location: Algonquin, Illinois

The Low Down

249.00 G-10 Frames 109.00 OS .21CVA motor, shipping in two weeks

I WANT !

BADLY!

UP = Away From The Center Of The Earth
01-28-2003 Over year old.
 
 
rockcrawler
Veteran
Location: Covington Wa

A 21..........Thats the one for me.
Who do you guys recomend I buy from for the g-10, 21 ship.
I want to pay for it after the vegas FF.
01-28-2003 Over year old.
 
 
Optech
Key Veteran
Location: Vista/Oceanside, CA.

What do you mean a .21 CV-A for $109.00 ???

The only CV-A I see for $109.00 is the .15 .

http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bi...p?&I=LXXD72&P=7

Mike

Viva La Airtronics!
01-28-2003 Over year old.
 
 
Intruder
Senior Heliman
Location: Algonquin, Illinois

HHI

I was sure he said .21

Icouldbewrong

UP = Away From The Center Of The Earth
01-28-2003 Over year old.
 
 
pequeajim
Veteran
Location: New Holland, PA

I have been looking over several engines for the one that I am getting. I would also like to find a .21 to put in it. I do not have a lot of faith in an airplane engine without the proper cooling. The nice thing about the plane engine though is that it is setup to run at lower RPMs. Although the heli engines run at a higher rpm than planes, the buggy engines run REALLY high.

The following is taken from the HP ratings and the associated RPM numbers attached to them. It is not necessarly the max RPM of the engine, but just what the manufacturer used to get a max HP reading.

15CVA - 18000 RPM
15 CV-R - 31000 RPM
21 RG - 30000

note that the buggy engines are rated with a higher RPM.

If you look at the 32 SX and the 32 SXH (plane and heli), they are both rated with the same RPM numbers. This makes me wonder if the car engine will have the torque at the lower RPMs that the heli and plane engines run at??

Maybe someone who is pretty knowlegable in engines can respond??
01-29-2003 Over year old.
 
 
spyder354
Senior Heliman
Location: Las Vegas, NV

Last time i checked, they didn't make a CVA .21, it's called the R-99B or something like that. Theres no way your gonna find a decent .21 for $110. These are car motors, so they aren't cheap. I used to race .21 sized 1/8th scale buggies and i know from experience that the OS car motors aren't very good. The best .21 motor is probably the RB. They make the new C-5, which has tons of torque and i think is close to 3 hp. I own an S-7 Europa, its plenty powerful and very reliable. I don't trust the OS motors, they don't make good power and have a bad rep for flaming out. A friend of mine is planning on buying a quick 15 and i think i'm going to donate my S-7 and possible my .12 truck motor too for testing. I'd love to see what a .21 could do in that little heli.
01-29-2003 Over year old.
 
 
rockcrawler
Veteran
Location: Covington Wa

If I remember right the crank size is different between the 15 and 21.
01-29-2003 Over year old.
 
 
pequeajim
Veteran
Location: New Holland, PA

I'm not familure with the car engines. Is there a web site for the RB?

Also, someone mentioned the K&B 18 which has some good power, but I don't know about it's reliability.

The OS .32 is a standard in 30 sized helis and is one of the most reliable engines that you can get, but again, I really know nothing about the smaller ones.

I do know that I want a rotary carb as opposed to a slide. I think the rotary will be smoother, expecially in the low end.

Jim!
01-29-2003 Over year old.
 
 
spyder354
Senior Heliman
Location: Las Vegas, NV

www.rbproducts.com
You got that backwards, slide carbs are a lot better. Slide carbs transition faster and smoother, they are designed to come out of the corners harder. It doesn't matter in a heli though, because you're mostly at a fixed throttle position, not blipping around the track. A slide carb would be a lot harder to set up too. Buggy motors are mostly torque, the RB's are famous for low end punch whereas the OS's are all top end. I think a car motor wouldn't have the midrange torque of a heli motor, but better low end torque and top end rush. Can you say overspeeding?
01-29-2003 Over year old.
 
 
Jason Merkle
Senior Heliman
Location: Champaign, IL

Domlou -

Yes, there will be a Quick-E electric version! The prototype is in the works, and they should have it flying between March and May I believe. Irwin at HHI told me that so its definitely gonna be happening

As for a .21, why? I have a LOT of experience with RC car engines - more than I care to admit - from working at a hobby shop for the last 5 years which sells mostly RC cars (I dont like cars, but I get stuck working on them...). The craze is take a T-Maxx with a .15 and add a .21, or 24.7 or whatever they do. I did that - a conversion and put an OS .21 RG in place of the wimpy .15 the T-Maxx used to come with. the result? The same top speed, but more bottom end torque. Not even more midrange, just more bottom end. LOTS more fuel consumption, er, and lots more broken tranny parts

Ive seen just about every make and model of a .21 in various cars. The ONLY truly powerful ones are the RB and Sirio engines as Anthony has suggested. For $300+ a pop, I dont think so! No to mention, the power/torque band on these motors is STILL not good for a heli!

Did you guys know JR makes a drag heli built for the top-of-the-line OS .21 car motor? One of our locals has it and it rips!!! But, if you try to use a throttle curve and fly aerobatics, youre wasting your time. It simply is NOT goog for anything other than spooling up to full speed and ripping!

The .15CV line of engines is different. For those who dont know, the .15CV IS a car engine. They simply added a remote needle, different carb and smaller head and now there is an airplane version LUCKILY, the .15CV engines DO have excellent upper end ranges in power - and STILL carry a lot of low end punch! By far, its one of the best overall engines in its class for power, weight, reliability and parts support. They designed the heli around this engine, and it was one of the best choices they could make!

If you put a .21 in this heli, I doubt youd ever get it to run right. A .21 need nearly twice the cooling, and I dont think there is THAT much room for a large cooling fan and shroud - let alone the room to fit most of the .21s. Have you guys seen the size difference of a .21 to most .12/.15 car engines? Some "small block" .21s might fit, but they ALL are wimps and dogs. Most car engine brands (OFNA, SH, XTM, etc) that have these small and big block .21s have HORRIBLE reputations for being finicky, running hot, etc, etc. Some of the cheaper and wimpier ones run well, but you dont have the balls.

As for an engine upgrade - I think the new 2.5CC (Basically a .15) engine from the T-Maxx and other Traxxas cars is the ticket! Even MORE power than the OS .15, but it still have bottom end, mid range and top end performance that blows away the competition. Theyve only been out a few months, but every one Ive seen is POWERFUL, easy to tune and stayed consistent. If you chopped down the tall car engine head a bit, there is no reason why it wouldnt fit in place of the OS .15

Jason
01-29-2003 Over year old.
 
 
coolhandluke
Heliman
Location: Collins, MS

:)

makes sense, thanks!
01-29-2003 Over year old.
 
 
Helimike
Senior Heliman
Location: Raymore Missouri USA

18 K&B car motor

LVRCFLYER Question:
What do you think about the K&B 18 pull start car motor for the Quickie 15? Have you seen one of them in a buggie or had hands on experance ? The RPM is lower (I think it is I may be mistaken) than the T-Maxx 2.5 and the head is smaller.
Michael

K.I.S.S.
01-30-2003 Over year old.
 
 
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