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steph280
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Location: Irvine, California

I use a similar adapter for my Logo 20. If you plan to make two packs and use them for other purposes, it is very important to keep the two packs on the same charging cycle. If the two packs are not balanced, the combined pack will have shorter duration, less power, and your charger will miss peaks. This is why I try to charge/discharge both packs together whenever I can.

Freshly off the charger packs develop the most power and duration. If you leave it on trickle charge afterwards, you will notice power decrease.

Charger cells at higher amp will make them dump amps out faster as well, resulting in higher power output. This is a commonly used "trick" in RC car racing circuit. However, this can only apply to certain cells that allows for fast charge/discharge, such as the Sanyo SCR and RC series. The Sanyo HRSC2600, RC3000HV, and Panasonic stock/ultra metal are the first Nimh cells I'm aware of that can be fast charged.

Most of the modern chargers will measure the internal resistance along with voltage, thus determine the suitable amp to pump into the cells. My schulze will pump 8.1 amps into HRSC2600, while only 0.80 amps into the transmitter pack. This will give you a good indication on which cells can be fast charged.

You can also get cells "zapped" which results in even lower internal resistance. These cells will dump higher amp, but will only benefit those applications which requires more than 40 amps.

Another new thing the European is doing is physically compressing the cells in attempt to reduce internal resistance even further. I have not seen one done in the states, so I dont know how well it works. But apparently this technique was used by the current F5D world champion to set the current world speed record.

Sorry for the long post. Battery technology is an interesting topic, and is part of the reason for my interest in electric helis.

Stephen
01-13-2003 Over year old.
 
 
E-gpeden
Senior Heliman
Location: Lake Louise, Alberta, Canada

Hi Stephen,

Have you found this mixing and matching of packs to work OK? As you are aware of the pack/cell balancing issues caused by this, I guess you are able to manage it. I've recommended that people not do this because of that issue and also because there is no real advantage to having packs shared between machines. Having dedicated 24 cell packs for the LOGO 20 and 12 cell packs for the LOGO 10 and a larger number of packs means that there's more batteries to use in the charge/cool/fly cycle and you can possibly get more flights in a session. Although the initial cost is higher, in the end it costs no more to do this because there's basically a finite amount of flights in a pack anyway. There's a risk of reduced life from the mix/matched packs because of the possibility of over discharging some. But since I've never tried it like you, I can only state my own preferences & concerns Would you say that it's just a trivial matter?

Cheers!

Cheers!
Glen
01-13-2003 Over year old.
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steph280
Key Veteran
Location: Irvine, California

Glen,

Yup you are right. That's why I said "If you plan to make two packs and use them for other purposes, it is very important to keep the two packs on the same charging cycle." When I buy a batch of batteries, I usually buy enough to make "pair" packs. And I keep track of how many charges/discharge cycle each pack pairs go through in attempt to let them age at the same rate. And when I fly them on the Logo20, I always charge the two packs together.

Now that I have just installed a new 20cell motor in my Logo 20, I could no longer share packs with my Logo 10. Thus I have made four 10cell packs for Logo20 use exclusively. This would free me up from keeping track of charging cycles on my other packs.

Can you imagine when LiPo becomes battery of choice, we'll have to retrain our charging habits.

Stephen
01-13-2003 Over year old.
 
 
johnboy
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Location: South Lincolnshire nr Peterborough UK

Hi guys

Electric flying is great . I am lucky to be able to fly outside of my house, Now im starting to get used to the power of 24 cells. As said earlier , I charge with the supa nova ,50 mins at 3.5amps. I am now waiting for the charger to finish , So ...IF I was to buy a 7-8 amp charger , apart from the quicker charge times, how does a 7 amp charge fly to a 3.5 amp charge. I guess that it is more power for less time..... I can do a safe 4.45mins of mild 3D with the slower charge, then I bottle out of the low inverted hovering stuff.

Can any one post a pic of there battery pipe cooler, I think I'll need to make one of those as well IF I change my charger

It never ends:

Also my glow starter setup is not upto the job for battery charging if im away from the house and down the club field. I have no deep cycle battery , so im going to have to spend some more money. For a big field charger I need a big battery, I know very little in whats needed compared to you hardened electric flyers.

Again any pics of your field chargeing setup would be good. At the moment it's wires every where when i want to charge.

thanks again

john

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