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Main Discussion > What The Heck Is The Problem With This Raptor!!!!!!
 
 
YSRRider
Key Veteran
Location: Ingleside/Fox Lake, IL

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01-23-2002 Over year old.
 
 
Naomi
Elite Veteran
Location: Ontario, Canada

Pulling your hair out.... Frustration..

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I know what you mean.. That's what I come here for help..

Naomi
01-24-2002 Over year old.
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YSRRider
Key Veteran
Location: Ingleside/Fox Lake, IL

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01-24-2002 Over year old.
 
 
Todd
Senior Heliman
Location: Nashville, TN

I really think you need to find help in your area. You just dont get it. Now your getting mad at people trying to help you because they spelled your name wrong.
01-24-2002 Over year old.
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YSRRider
Key Veteran
Location: Ingleside/Fox Lake, IL

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01-24-2002 Over year old.
 
 
steve9534
Key Veteran
Location: yakima, wa.

Throttle/pitch curves

The logical thing to do would be to decrease the throttle opening, if you're head speed is too high. You state that the heli overspeeds at 30% throttle, but with the pitch curve you've described, you'll not reach the appropriate 4-5degrees of pitch for hovering until you get to point #4 on you're curve. At that point you've got a 75% throttle opening. The Raptor is a fine helicopter which can be made to fly like a ### as you describe given the appropriate degree of mismatch on the curves. In reply to your second question, yes a low battery can cause glitching which may manifest itself in random movements of the helicopter. Hope this helps. Steve.
01-24-2002 Over year old.
 
 
christianzx
Heliman
Location: Boston

It's not the raptor, it's your setup. Just set your throttle curve to 0, 15, 30, 50 100 and see if that helps. The throttle curve you are using is for people who are using a pitch curve of -4, 1, 5, 7, 9 to hover at mid stick.
01-24-2002 Over year old.
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Alex Rodriguez
Senior Heliman
Location: Ohio

Ok here is your set-up......
We'll disect the problem so it makes sense.
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throttle: 0,30,50,75,100
pitch: 18,38,46,75,94
with -4 0 9.5 degrees
this is my NORMAL flight curve



If you look at your settings you are at 50% throttle and 0 degrees pitch at mid-stick (there is no load on your engine except what it needs to spin the blades). Assuming you set it up so that at -4 degrees you are at the 18% on your pitch curve and at 9.5 degrees you are at 94 on your pitch curve. This is in your normal flight mode. You can as the others said adjust your pitch curve setting of 46 at mid-stick to a setting that will give 5-6 degrees of pitch so there will be a load on the engine at this point.

For idle up 1 or 2 you can use the -9,0,+9 setting which is fine but you would have to make your throttle curve 100,75,50,75,100 and adjust your low setting that you are at 18 on your pitch curve to 0 which probably is at the -9 or so you listed before (In idle 1 or 2 you will be hovering at about 3/4 stick).

Blade speed is governed by engine rpm and the lift created by the pitch the blades are at. So, on your raptor 30 if you did try to adjust your pitch to greater than +9 or less than -9, your 30 engine may not have enough raw power to be able to keep the blades spinning at an rpm high enough to keep the heli in the air. This is because the lift they are trying to produce is too much for the engine. I hope this helps.
01-24-2002 Over year old.
 
 
YSRRider
Key Veteran
Location: Ingleside/Fox Lake, IL

hover

In NORMAL flight mode i have +6 at mid sitck

+10 6 -6

i turned it down to +4. but im 100% sure that will make it WORSE!

i have the HV-T and HV-P knobs cranked all the way down, im gonna go test it now........
01-24-2002 Over year old.
 
 
YSRRider
Key Veteran
Location: Ingleside/Fox Lake, IL

curve

in JUST my NORMAL flight mode i have

throttle curve: 0 30 50 75 100
pitch curve : 18 38 46 75 94
pitch... not sure anymore, keep playing with it.

the numbers i am using are streight out of the raptor manuel, or so i think! i was set a 3D setup page via email
01-24-2002 Over year old.
 
 
YSRRider
Key Veteran
Location: Ingleside/Fox Lake, IL

DavidH

im ahead of you on that one. half stick is about as far as i can go and the motor is screaming. still.

im sure i can get it to fly ok if i turn the cuves down, but what boggles me is why it wont work as is? it should, everyone elses works fine.
01-24-2002 Over year old.
 
 
YSRRider
Key Veteran
Location: Ingleside/Fox Lake, IL

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see i dont think its the pitch curve, its in the throttle, i have load on the blades and its screaming! i can get it a foot or 2 off the ground but its at a nasty high RPM, and i think this is why my gyro is acting goofy, the tail wags at a lighting speed and the heli starts to spin. I've set up a few choppers and havent had any problems till i got this lemon!
01-24-2002 Over year old.
 
 
christianzx
Heliman
Location: Boston

Stop by the chat room

YSR, you might try stopping by the chat room, probably get this worked out quickly, there' s a portal to it at my site -> http://people.ne.mediaone.net/christianzx/heli.html
01-24-2002 Over year old.
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YSRRider
Key Veteran
Location: Ingleside/Fox Lake, IL

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first off, if you didnt catch in a previous post... it did do this when i first got it, thats why i wanted to redo everything and set it up for 3D


i put the stick in the middlem, and connected the arm at half open,,,, 90degress..... best i could, so it should be pretty dead nuts!

when i got the heli it had mismatched crystals, that kinda tells me that this package was all the leftovers that this guy had for the most part, but i wish he and other people selling stuff wouldnt try to pass it off as "ready to fly, just add gas"
01-24-2002 Over year old.
 
 
Jay Cotty
Heliman
Location: Maryland

Help??

Hi YSRRider,

Can you email me your phone num. #, so I can call you to see if we can find the problem together.....Let me know.

Eat, Sleep, Fly 3D.....Catch me if you can!
01-24-2002 Over year old.
 
 
YSRRider
Key Veteran
Location: Ingleside/Fox Lake, IL

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ive tried most of that, all my linkages are at 90.
ok the problem.... why at 30% throttle, does the engine run like its at 90%?? it has great compression, doesnt leak, i checked the air screw and its at the factory 3.5 turns out. fuel screw is 2.5 turns out SUPER RICH on only 15% nitro. im going out of town this week end, when i get back, im just gonna meet up with some local flyers. i know they are gonn have a brain fart with this one too!
01-24-2002 Over year old.
 
 
YSRRider
Key Veteran
Location: Ingleside/Fox Lake, IL

motor

sorry "mixture" screw the one in the side of the carb. its an os 32SXH.
01-24-2002 Over year old.
 
 
PHI flyer
Senior Heliman
Location: Bowie, Maryland

I think David H had a perfect post for getting that heli in the air. With those settings, it HAS to fly. If not then a hands on diagnosis is the only solution. Just get any other heli pilot to look it over. Anyone can accidently overlook an obvious problem. Just like forgetting to put a screw into a servo arm. You know it needs it but I just.....I mean anyone can just forget it and off it come in mid flight. OK yes, I did that once. Very bad. Anyway after futzing with something for so long, someone else might look at it and find a problem immediately. I'm sure you will get it going YSR.
01-24-2002 Over year old.
 
 
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