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human213
Senior Heliman
Location: malibu

The Jakadofsky

is capable of over 12 kW, per Peter Jakadosky, the designer.

He is conservative, and listed the apu output rating for the show.

The unit can be supplied with total loss or a closed circulating oil
system.

Peter stated he has not set the final design parameters.

The tanks on my coax are one liter each, and come with the kit.


michael

Not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted.
10-25-2007 07:12 PM
 
 
dickgtax
Heliman
Location: Durham, North Carolina

"We'll always have Coco's"
11-02-2007 12:50 AM
 
 
human213
Senior Heliman
Location: malibu

Fx-40 custom sticks and controls...

Pics soon, just got stick top custom switches from Japan


and Futaba (VERY nicely) installed ultra quality three position idle up switches


on left, and throttle hold on right...next is a custom carbon


tray for ultra light x-mitter holder, the stock one in acrylic is too heavy...


2.4 system then...

Put a turtle skinz from Tony on the gyro...this is an ultra trick


engineered mount and isolator for your gyro...



Thanks again Steve.




michael

Not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted.
12-03-2007 07:52 AM
 
 
human213
Senior Heliman
Location: malibu

Yaw control inquiries and discussion...

In response to several inquiries about the yaw system:


I wanted to discuss futher why the zero lift situation of say, an fai quality 540 stall turn, or any other maneuver
is no problem for the coax, and why the yaw authority is even greater than the unbalanced conventional TR...
and works with no unwanted collective plane motion in any attitude, and is completely balanced and symmetrical...



Hypothetical x...

where, let us say we are in the zero lift moment of the

upper line of a 540 stall turn...

angle of attack of both rotors is zero, for this hypothetical...



and we are doing a left yaw 540...




top rotor increases angle of attack with left yaw input...



bottom rotor decreases angle of attack exactly the same, to maintain zero net collective plane of movement; this

decreased angle of attack causes ALSO, left yaw... ( via decreased right yaw torque reaction of COUNTERCLOCKWISE lower rotor...upper obviously, clockwise..)



The reflex airfoil of the lower blade is going towards feathering...the upper to a greater angle of attack...


less drag below equals left yaw...


increased drag upper equals left yaw..


net equals left yaw input...


At low angles of attack, such as a stall turn with blades near zero, there is less torque generated by a reflex foil going negative
than going to a positive angle of attack...thus, the differential torque of the stall turn scenario works as well as in a hover or
net lifting vector attitudes...or any other flight envelope of control.

This is borne out by the actual flights with excellent stall turn authority, and full authority to yaw in full forward flight envelope,
exactly as per the full size.



Thus, net yaw motion will always be induced by contrateral opposing collective induced differential torque input of BOTH rotors for any TR input direction....with no compromise in zero net lift or collective movement moments regardless of attitude....this is further enhanced by accelerated slipstream the lower rotor encounters...




Michael

Not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted.
01-13-2008 08:23 AM
 
 
Schwarzwaldelch
Heliman
Location: Freiburg, Germany

Koax Video

http://www.rcmovie.de/view_video.ph...6b794ba4d255cf6

nice.....
01-28-2008 08:51 AM
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human213
Senior Heliman
Location: malibu

Thanks Schwarzwaldelch

...for the very nice video...


michael

Not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted.
01-28-2008 10:06 AM
 
 
nico
Senior Heliman
Location: france near cannes

Thanks a lot for sharing WAOU...... that helicoptere fly like a trainer....at you now Mickael !
Regards
Nicolas

nico
01-28-2008 10:20 AM
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human213
Senior Heliman
Location: malibu

The coaxial is now serving some classified UAV duty...

more info and video in the near future, when it is released for public
comsumption....



michael

Not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted.
01-30-2008 11:56 AM
 
 
Dennisu
Veteran
Location: Surrey, B.C. Canada

Schwarzwaldelch

Quote 
http://www.rcmovie.de/view_video.ph...6b794ba4d255cf6
Says the video does not exist. Do you know what happened to it?

He who dies with the most toys ..... Wins!
01-31-2008 07:23 AM
 
 
human213
Senior Heliman
Location: malibu

I have been informed that it has been removed....

michael

Not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted.
01-31-2008 07:35 AM
 
 
fredd
Senior Heliman
Location: UK - London

Human 123, can you let me know which profile / lenght of M blades you used. Also, in a separate build thread, it was noted that the gyro didn't really work in HH mode for a Coaxial and normal mode was the preferred option. Was your experience similar ?
Thanks
02-07-2008 10:02 AM
 
 
human213
Senior Heliman
Location: malibu

Blades and gyro

The gyro works overtime on this machine, and is an inherent part
of the differential collective mixing, and is used
in the normal mode.

I run the aluminum 75 mm by 1100 m blades.

Intial run...tracking laser set on ground, in the air...not a single
adjustment needed on all six blades...



m

Not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted.
02-08-2008 09:40 AM
 
 
FCM
Elite Veteran
Location: Back in Blighty!

That's a huge amount of blade area - something like double that of a 3 bladed XLV

Please post some video as soon as you can Mike

Paul.
02-08-2008 12:34 PM
 
 
fredd
Senior Heliman
Location: UK - London

Also interested on your tracking via laser. I understand it would help making sure that the tracking is perfect. However, if one blade is not tracking, how do you find which one using this method ?
Are the M-blades symetrical ? What RPM are you dialing in the Jetcat ?
Thanks
02-08-2008 01:18 PM
 
 
human213
Senior Heliman
Location: malibu

The new blades are

1470mm with a 93 mm chord...(new big model)...

Yes, with the 1100mm six blade, the disc loading is quite light...
with super cyclic authority, and unbelievable auto capability...


I run 950 rpm, and with the laser have NEVER had to track the M blades,
with a reflex airfoil..you cannot get symmetricals M blades this large...


you just go old school tracking if you do not get perfect tracking...but the M blades are more consistent than even the carbons, so a precise
result is very nice and time saving.

kindest,

michael

Not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted.
02-15-2008 07:01 AM
 
 
human213
Senior Heliman
Location: malibu

Ka-50 pics from MAKS show in Moscow...





Cannon, main gear, and titanium exhaust suppressor....

I have had several more requests for kit pricing; and it is
currently in stock;

It is 4650 for the turbine kit, 640 for the trainer kit, and

185 for the carbon fiber servo trays, all in euros.

Outside of europe, the price is 19% less, due to German VAT.

If anyone is seriously interested in a kit, please pm me.


michael

Not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted.
02-27-2008 04:58 AM
 
 
Peter Wales
Key Veteran
Location: Orlando Fl

You cannot auto a coaxial without a great deal of difficulty, as Stanley Hiller found out when he tried it on his full size prototype. When you reverse the pitch on the blades to keep the head speed up, you also reverse the rudder direction. Fortunately for Hiller, he had enough height and presence of mind to give opposite rudder and that stopped the rotation. Then, when he applied positive pitch to flare and land, the rudder reverted to normal operation again.

On our models, we have a gyro and it would force the model into a faster and faster spin as it would have reversed operation on the descent. The only way to do an auto is a planned one and switch the gyro off on the descent and back on again when you flare. You would need to be pretty good on the sticks to get all that sorted out. Alternatively, switch it off and leave it off and do what Hiller did on the rudder.

Thats why an engine out situation on one of these models is quite destructive

Peter Wales
02-27-2008 01:38 PM
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WIRLYBIRD
Senior Heliman
Location: CAPE TOWN / SOUTH AFRICA.

Well that just gave my little brain a wake up call , well done Peter.
Dave.

WHAT GOES UP MUST SURELY COME DOWN.
02-27-2008 01:50 PM
 
 
Havoc
Key Veteran
Location: Ky.

This sounded odd because I've never heard of this as a problem with Kamov helis. Then I found this:

Quote 
The coaxial has excellent yaw control, which is done by varying the lift, and more importantly the drag, between the two counter-rotating rotors, while maintaining a constant total lift.

During autorotation, the airflow through much of the disks is reversed. A particular pedal input would now cause a yaw in the opposite direction, if it were not for 'pedal switching linkages' that automatically take place in Kamov's at the onset of autorotation.

"The problem of coaxial-rotor helicopters' directional stability in autorotation has been solved in full." ~ Quote from Kamov web page, but they do not say how it has been solved.

CRAN said ~ "Dr. Gareth Padfield picked the Russian engineers up on this point [weak yaw control during autorotation] at the conference and they sheepishly said that ...'yes, it is a problem, and we achieve direction control in autorotation with the moveable fins...' or words to that effect."

http://unicopter.com/1119.html

That's cool and annoying all at the same time.
02-27-2008 02:01 PM
 
 
FCM
Elite Veteran
Location: Back in Blighty!

I don't think differential torque is the issue or even fighting the engine torque. I read the link (very interesting) and from what I can see the issue is the effective reversal of the 'rudder' controls when an auto is entered. My guess is that if you did have to auto a coax rc heli then if you left the rudder stick alone, the heli would auto down okay but of course, you would have no directional control but then again, with an undriven tail, you don't get this do you? The 'benefit' may be that you would not experience any swing when positive pitch is applied. I do wonder though, if cyclic control would be okay to use in an auto?

I have often wondered why the Kamov helis have such large area verticle fins/rudders when they are known to have excellent directional control authority. This must be why.

Paul.
02-27-2008 02:24 PM
 
 
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