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Maxists The Baddist
Senior Heliman
Location: Erie,Pa

On the 12s, the 5000mah and the 3700 mah combos you plan to test, these two combinations won't give a performance difference will they? Just duration differences.
04-11-2007 03:15 AM
 
 
cgbole
Veteran
Location: tulsa ok

yes but it's kinda a trade off. more Mah. at the cost of more weight.
less Mah at less weight. but the 5000mah will take the loads better.
only problem with 12s on a actro 32-3 at 10:1 is the excessive head speed. if your a stick banger and like hot 3D spank it it'll take it and say "is that all ya got?" i always flew it on 10s and mabey 11s.
also the larger mah packs don't drop voltage as much. just like everything it's always a trade off.
chuck
04-11-2007 03:22 AM
 
 
red_z06
Elite Veteran
Location: Dumont, NJ

We just came back from testing 10s5000 11s5000 and 12s5000. 11s5000 gives very good performance but 10s was rather weak. However, since the flight duration increased to 6min, there is room for gear ratio change to increase the head speed and the load.

But the best was 12s5000 which went flat at 5min at 2200+ head speed.

Justin had perhaps his best flight yet and flew the pants off the E-Stratus.

Unfortunately our camerawoman took the day off.

www.justinchi.com
04-11-2007 03:34 AM
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QueeQueg
Senior Heliman
Location: West Texas

That's interesting how much your flight time went down as your head speed went up even though you were adding cells and voltage.

I guess the high head speed makes a big difference in current draw.
04-12-2007 01:48 AM
 
 
MrMel
Elite Veteran
Location: Lidingo, Sweden

Taken from H.F., Logo section, which will give you a hint.

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Something to think about regarding the power put into a machine at the rpms some of you guys use. To increase rpms the input power increases exponentially, not linearly. For instance,.. say I fly at 2000 rpms and you fly at 2200 rpms. Many will think that's only a 10% increase, so it should take 10% more power. Many of us know this to not be true, but I've never known the "real relationship". A very smart friend of mine who is an engineering type, explained the power relationships and it's rather eye-opening. To make the above change actually requires 33% more power (1.33 times the original imput power). The formula works like this,... you divide the new rpm by the old rpm, CUBE the difference, and multiply times the imput power. I threw together a little spreadsheet to demonstrate, using my logo 10 setup (the one that will fly old/smooth style 3D for 9+ minutes but not the radical stuff you guys do these days). At 2000 rpms, I average 525 watts, or 28 amps on a 5S 4500 pack. The spreadsheet shows that going up to 2100 would mean 1.16 times the current input power ((2100/2000,.. which is 1.05) to the third power), which is 1.16. Going to 2200 takes 1.33 times the input, etc, etc. Flight times go down relative to current, so going from 2000 to 2100 takes me down from 9.5 to 8.2 minutes. Going to the "normal" (at least these days) 2500 rpms, would roughly half my flight time to 4.9 minutes. It can be said that the increased revs will require less pitch, which is true, but load difference from the tiny pitch change is miniscule compared to the load increase of rpms so it's virtually irrelevant.


current watts, rpm, new rpm, multiplier, new watts, cells (*3.7), capacity(mah), current, new current, flight time, new flight time

525 2000 2100 1.16 608 5 4500 28 33 9.5 8.2
525 2000 2200 1.33 699 5 4500 28 38 9.5 7.1
525 2000 2300 1.52 798 5 4500 28 43 9.5 6.3
525 2000 2400 1.73 907 5 4500 28 49 9.5 5.5
525 2000 2500 1.95 1025 5 4500 28 55 9.5 4.9
525 2000 2600 2.20 1153 5 4500 28 62 9.5 4.3
525 2000 2700 2.46 1292 5 4500 28 70 9.5 3.9
525 2000 2800 2.74 1441 5 4500 28 78 9.5 3.5
525 2000 2900 3.05 1601 5 4500 28 87 9.5 3.1
525 2000 3000 3.38 1772 5 4500 28 96 9.5 2.8

Here are the important fields, a little more readable

rpm, new, multiplier, flight time, new flight time

2000 2100 1.16 9.5 8.2
2000 2200 1.33 9.5 7.1
2000 2300 1.52 9.5 6.3
2000 2400 1.73 9.5 5.5
2000 2500 1.95 9.5 4.9
2000 2600 2.20 9.5 4.3
2000 2700 2.46 9.5 3.9
2000 2800 2.74 9.5 3.5
2000 2900 3.05 9.5 3.1
2000 3000 3.38 9.5 2.8

04-12-2007 02:43 AM
 
 
QueeQueg
Senior Heliman
Location: West Texas

Thanks Mel,

I had no idea that the current draw was increased so much from the faster head speed.
04-12-2007 03:11 AM
 
 
Maxists The Baddist
Senior Heliman
Location: Erie,Pa

What size blades are you testing with. Do you ever consider experimenting with 670 and 710 to see the difference with the different battery configurations as to which will yield the desired performance? This topic is killing me cause it combines my favorite things- ma stratus and electric. Also, this is appears to be an easy conversion where you could change back and forth between nitro and electric.
04-12-2007 04:20 AM
 
 
red_z06
Elite Veteran
Location: Dumont, NJ

I just bought a set of Vblades 690mm for that purpose.
I am also expecting a set of SWE 690mm blades for testing.

I should have packed my laptop for field programing the CC HV110.
I switched to gov low and it was a dudd. At 100% curve with 12s, I got around 1550 and it was not enough to do 3d. I didn't have the manual with me to switch it back to gov high either.

www.justinchi.com
04-12-2007 04:48 AM
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MrMel
Elite Veteran
Location: Lidingo, Sweden

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The real benefit would be that you gain 0.4-0.5 inch of additional clearance in the battery bay. Although minor, it will shift the cg of the motor toward the blade which is also good.

Just put some spacers between the frame and the bottom plate to get better clearance.



I gonna try mine first as a trainer with 2 x 10s1p 3700's, gonna be a heavy beast, but I can use stock YS 8.45:1 gearing while I wait for the new maingear/pinion which ive ordered.

Funny thing is that it will still come out 50 grams lighter then my E-Raptor 90 on 12s1p.
04-14-2007 09:16 PM
 
 
Jag72
Elite Veteran
Location: 20 minutes south of Boston Mass...

here's mine...

Some pics of mine..

05-01-2007 04:18 PM
 
 
MrMel
Elite Veteran
Location: Lidingo, Sweden

Ive rebuilt the drive train on my stratus so I could get better 12s gearing.

Here is how it turned out.

Im using an 8mm shaft actro, precision coupler and 5 mm shaft from SDP and a mikado pinion.
The upper bearing mount is original, but Ive changed the bearing to use a 19/5mm bearing from Boca. And ive moved down the bearing holder so its as low as possible, giving max support for the shaft.

pinion dont cover the whole of the main gear, but thats not an issue.

With this I have 100T main gear, and 9T pinion.







05-05-2007 08:51 AM
 
 
cgbole
Veteran
Location: tulsa ok

cool. looks good. i finally got mine back in the air this weekend.
wrenched on it all day at the funfly but got it going late saturday.
tached at 2200. after a min or two of flight. the motor temped at 156 F after 4 min. flight put back 2600 mah in 12s 5000 tp extremes.
hey Mel, 11:1 is pretty much the magic number to shoot for. should work great. as soonn as i sell off my trex i'll be trying that combo out. if i don't do a belt drive first.
looks good.
chuck

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05-07-2007 01:30 AM
 
 
Jag72
Elite Veteran
Location: 20 minutes south of Boston Mass...

Man...my damned 85HV smoked my new actro 32-3

Chuck...looks like I had the same meltdown issue you had with mine...the damn 85HV smoked my BRAND SPANKING NEW Actro 32-3...

I'm getting rid of all my castles and Going JAZZ ALL THE WAY!!!!

It kind of Burns my A$$ that this controller just smoked my brand new 300$ motor that I had to wait a month to get...
05-07-2007 02:49 PM
 
 
red_z06
Elite Veteran
Location: Dumont, NJ

Jag

What exactly happened? How many flights before frying it?

www.justinchi.com
05-07-2007 02:58 PM
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Jag72
Elite Veteran
Location: 20 minutes south of Boston Mass...

0 Flights on the castle and the Motor...

I set my endpoints onthe castle and did a very quick spoolup on the heli in fixed mode and that was it...switched to gov mode and it would not engage...it would run for like 3 seconds and then stop???

I kept trying it and then it finally spooled up ...ran for like 10 seconds and then the governor sounded like it wasn't working and then it smoked my new motor...got exactly 0 flights on the new controller and Motor...

I am done with castle though...going to the powerjazz

This was an expensive lesson to learn though
05-07-2007 03:12 PM
 
 
red_z06
Elite Veteran
Location: Dumont, NJ

That is a bummer.

I haven't had any issues with my cc hv110/actro 32-3 on e-stratus and cchv85/neu 1515/2y for trex600 yet.

I just have to chase a vibration issue on the e-stratus though.

www.justinchi.com
05-07-2007 03:27 PM
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Jag72
Elite Veteran
Location: 20 minutes south of Boston Mass...

Castle...

in Gov mode if you start seeing it fluctuate quickly and actingl ike the gov isn't working then shut it down...or else
05-07-2007 03:51 PM
 
 
red_z06
Elite Veteran
Location: Dumont, NJ

That would happen when you lower the throttle curve below 48% on gov high. I alway had it kept above 48%. CC guy told me that it is much harder on the ESC at partial throttle than full. CC80 would typically survive 120amp run if you switch it on rathter than throttle up bypassing mid setting. That perhaps is why my hv110 is working fine. I'm glad I decided on hv110 instead of hv85.

www.justinchi.com
05-07-2007 03:58 PM
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MrMel
Elite Veteran
Location: Lidingo, Sweden

Feel for you buddy!

Just get the Powerjazz and be over with it, you wont need another controller.

You can run that one at 10% throttle and it wont even get warm , It like a big regulator.
Spark protection
Reversed polarity protected (tried that one, dont ask why)
Water prof (tried that one too...)
05-07-2007 04:01 PM
 
 
red_z06
Elite Veteran
Location: Dumont, NJ

MrMel

How much does one cost?

www.justinchi.com
05-07-2007 04:12 PM
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