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e-HeliDirect Outrage - HDX 300-600 > HDX300, continuing saga
 
 
lryansl
Senior Heliman
Location: Yuma, Arizona

I would suggest that you tach your headspeed just in case to make sure that your headspeed is sufficiant.
09-17-2007 04:46 PM
 
 
mastic
Senior Heliman
Location: Tallahassee,Fla

I know my headspeed is to low I dont even have good tail authority , thats my problem when my headspeed gets up to where it should be I get that dam wobble of death and I have to back off the throttle. Im just flat out perplexed
09-17-2007 05:45 PM
 
 
lryansl
Senior Heliman
Location: Yuma, Arizona

Does it look anything like this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i51lWPiduuE
09-17-2007 06:17 PM
 
 
lryansl
Senior Heliman
Location: Yuma, Arizona

Also, try lowering your pitch some you say you can hover at medium headspeed i assume you mean mid stick try lowering your pitch so that you hover at about 5/8 to 3/4 stick and see if it helps any.
09-17-2007 06:21 PM
 
 
cope44
Veteran
Location: South Lake Tahoe CA

More 300 Q'S

Recommended head speed on these things? Im running the NON hardened main shaft. Also what are some good servos for this thing? I have stripped 2 S-75's and broke a hs-50. The s-75's just fail and the hs-50 broke apart at the case half stripping the gears. The hs-50 broke while I was holding the heli by the boom, The heli rotated up side down (top heavy;]) and split the case. Has any one tried gluing the case halves together?
Seems like a good idea to me.
Another thing is the blade grips can rotate around the feathering shaft to the point where the pitch link is almost horizontal, (blade at @90 deg. pitch) Should I lenghtin the pitch link so it cant do this? If any one can link me to linkage set up that would be a huge help.
Thanks again
Cope44
09-17-2007 06:52 PM
 
 
aristo1963
Senior Heliman
Location: goldsboro nc usa

cope you need to put a warp or two around an hs50 to keep it in one piece.as for servos,i was running hs55's just fine,but then i tried the s-60's which are digital versions of s-75's.dont know about gear durability yet,but they are very fast and center very well.cant believe they are digitals for a buck more,lol.
09-17-2007 10:08 PM
 
 
cope44
Veteran
Location: South Lake Tahoe CA

Thanks for the reply ,I will look in to the S-60's. A wrap of what? tape?
Any thoughts on the linkage?
Thanks
Cope44
09-17-2007 10:28 PM
 
 
aristo1963
Senior Heliman
Location: goldsboro nc usa

lol jeez im tired ,yes a wrap or two of scotch tape sorry
09-17-2007 11:48 PM
 
 
gmcullan
Veteran
Location: Southbridge, MA

Wow, great wobble, looks like you were getting chased a little there at the end. That wobble could be a couple of things. Starting from the obvious:

1. Main rotor balance and tracking, including the flybar and flybar paddles.

2. Slop-free linkage

3. Pitch range properly set. Recommend no more that +/- 10 degrees.

4. Use the 40-tooth tail rotor pulley. This gives a 6/1 tail ratio versus the 5/1 you get with the 32-tooth pulley. The higher tail rotor speed gives better tail control with less pitch changes. Balance becomes more critical at these higher speeds.

5. A straight main shaft

If you've not tried an "injector-rod" main shaft, I highly recommend one. There are threads on this board that describe how to make one.

As for servos, I had been using S75's with no problems. I did destroy all three cyclic servos in my little "incedent".

I'm currently using these three REALLY inexpensive servos that I bought from CNC Machine. I figured I had nothing to loose if they . Surprisingly, they work very well.

Based on the video, my bet is that there is a slight bow in the main shaft, right about where the shaft exits the top main bearing, and certainly not higher than the swashplate.

As for the question on linkage setup, earlier in this thread I posted the lengths that I'm using. I'm too tired tonight to go find them, but they are there!

Gerry Cullan,
Blade CP, HB CP2, T-Rex 450 SE & SA, HDX300, MicroHeli Monster, Mini-Titan
09-18-2007 02:17 AM
 
 
mastic
Senior Heliman
Location: Tallahassee,Fla

Gerry , I am using injector rod for the shaft and you know im thinking that might be part of the problem. I can actually see the head button start to go away from dead center as my head speed increases ,the shaft seems like its flexing too much.I read your post where you say you made your shafts less than 100 mm to make them more ridgid and I made mine the same size as the stock one. Aristo1963 aka John has offered to look at my heli if I mail it to him which an awsome thing for him to do but I know I can figure this out on my own someday . I really think I need a more ridgid shaft and thats it .Cant we get some kind of 3mm metal thats perfect for our helis? Thanks Pals
09-18-2007 12:56 PM
 
 
gmcullan
Veteran
Location: Southbridge, MA

Wow, the read-count on this thread is certainly heading upwards! I wonder when it will break 10,000?

Seriously, this had been some good discussion regarding shortcomings and fixes for the HDX300. When it's "right", it's a great little flyer. But when it's "wrong", youch!

I'm going to leave a separate comment in the mainshaft thread I started concerning the current state of the composite shafts.

Gerry Cullan,
Blade CP, HB CP2, T-Rex 450 SE & SA, HDX300, MicroHeli Monster, Mini-Titan
09-29-2007 09:34 PM
 
 
gasayers
Heliman
Location: new zealand

Mastic, did you fix your wobble??
Looking at your video I would suggest the rubber bushings in your main rotor hub are two hard and locking up your spindle shaft. The spindle shaft needs to be able to rock reasonably freely or you'll get that rotational wobble every flight.(soften them up somehow)
Also add a little grease to them so they don't grab, release, grab etc as you fly.
Cheers

HDX300, Belt CP, Raptor 50, cap 232 46FX, Mustang 70FS, Funworld 270W/lb, Spitfire RCV120,Futaba 9CHP with Spektrum module.
10-13-2007 12:18 AM
 
 
gasayers
Heliman
Location: new zealand

Aristo, wish you'd posted those pics of your battery holder in that other forum. Looks good! (maybe you did and I missed them)

Cheers

HDX300, Belt CP, Raptor 50, cap 232 46FX, Mustang 70FS, Funworld 270W/lb, Spitfire RCV120,Futaba 9CHP with Spektrum module.
10-13-2007 12:23 AM
 
 
gmcullan
Veteran
Location: Southbridge, MA

Great point on the spindle dampers. The older version used a pair of "O"rings per side. You can adjust the stifness by inserting or removing washers placed between the blade grips and "O" rings. There are solid dampers available. I have a set but haven't used them yet.

Lubrication can be helpful. Just make sure that the lubrication used is compatible with the damper material. I used a plastic-compatible lubricant with my original Blade CP. It didn't react with the plastic rotorhead components, but is caused the dampers to swell to twice their orogonal size. They then just crumpled apart.

Gerry Cullan,
Blade CP, HB CP2, T-Rex 450 SE & SA, HDX300, MicroHeli Monster, Mini-Titan
10-13-2007 01:47 AM
 
 
aristo1963
Senior Heliman
Location: goldsboro nc usa

sorry gas most of my posts are on the giant hdx thread at rcgroups,followed by runryder.i dont post much on helifreak simply because i never see post activity and if i post something,i get told that they suck,and that pretty much it.but i did post a pic of it on the freak hdx build thread.
john
10-13-2007 02:33 AM
 
 
aristo1963
Senior Heliman
Location: goldsboro nc usa

also a note on the spindles,yes grease them and the orings,keep the threads clean.this makes a huge differance,also the head when it was new had to much locktight binding one side.check it.go to autozone or advance,and get diaelectric grease,it is the perfect grease for our spindle needs.a 5 dollar tube will last forever.its also good for protecting our electrical connectors.
john
10-13-2007 02:38 AM
 
 
gmcullan
Veteran
Location: Southbridge, MA

Wow, 51 posts away from 10,000 reads. My HDX300 is charging as I type and will see a second flight today. I wonder if I'll get 10,000 flights out of this little heli?

Got to go check my flight log. I'm going to guess I've got 300+ flights on my HDX300. A long way to go to make 10,000 flights!

Gerry Cullan,
Blade CP, HB CP2, T-Rex 450 SE & SA, HDX300, MicroHeli Monster, Mini-Titan
10-14-2007 10:08 PM
 
 
HeliDirect
rrAdvertiser
Location: USA

i wish it is 500 posts in 10,000 reads.
10-15-2007 03:04 AM
 
 
gmcullan
Veteran
Location: Southbridge, MA

Steve, you've got to admit that I've fostered a good discussion of the HDX300. Certainly covered the strong points as well as fixes and options for its shortcomings.

And I guess that's normal. I've been involved with R/C since 1968. The new products, even at their worst, are still better than almost anything available "back in the day".

As for myself, my HDX300 is flying well. It took a bunch of fiddling to get it there, but I'm satisfied and comfortable with it.

I suppose my years of R/C involvement presents the basis for my willingness to work with the HDX300 to make it "right" for me. I can remember when almost nothing worked well and consistently right out of the box.

I will say that I like the performance and durability achieved from a modified injector rod based main shaft. I like my composit shaft even more. I hope to get beta units to you and several others for testing before the end of the year. Just got an order for another 1000 composit slot car axles, so I'll bang them out and then get back to the heli main shafts

Gerry Cullan,
Blade CP, HB CP2, T-Rex 450 SE & SA, HDX300, MicroHeli Monster, Mini-Titan
10-15-2007 03:42 AM
 
 
mastic
Senior Heliman
Location: Tallahassee,Fla

Yep im flying mine alot finally

after 4 main shafts,3 main gears,3 tail shafts ,3 sets of main blades,many broken links, 2 spindles,1 grip bearing and I had to replace my HS50 w/a digital tail servo for my tail to come close to holding and it still blows out when I pump my colective SOOOOOO after all the $$$ I spent OOOH YES I had to make my own main shafts to and I had to order carbide drill bits ALL THIS COSTS WAY TOO MUCH..I ask you HELI DIRECT why do you sell a product that just cant fly unless we make our own parts. I think you owe me some money
10-17-2007 12:58 AM
 
 
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