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Compass Knight 50 > Knight 50 Plastic Review
 
 
Brian C
Heliman
Location: Houston, TX

My notes as I assembled a Knight 50 Plastic version as sold in the USA. I started flying RC helicopters in 1980, a GMP Cricket and then a Horizon 60 (no flybar), before gyro’s were out. I remember opening the magazine and seeing the add for the first Futaba Gyro, my flying certainly improved by an order of magnitude, and sold the rest of the group I was flying with on buying one too! Sold all my Heli stuff in 1984 and picked them back up again 5 years ago with a Raptor 30 V1, then moved on to a Freya 90. The following is my viewpoint based on assembling the one kit, as they say, your mileage may vary.

Problem Items:
My kit came with an improved alum. T/R drive gear, after changing it out, the new alum. gear rubbed the bottom of the main gear to the point you could barely turn the main rotor by hand. I trimmed .030 off the bottom of the new alum. gear to provide clearance and filed a flat spot on the shaft for the set screw, the original plastic gear used a roll pin. I also added shims between the lower bearing and E-clip at the bottom of the shaft to eliminate verticle play in the assembly.

Center swashplate servo hits servo tray on bottom, I added a servo plate under the grommets to raise the servo up enough to clear. Using Futaba S9252.

Good Job:
Swashplate is all alum. and the bearing has no play.

Main gear mesh is great, although the main gear is molded, the teeth are cut. My main gear has very little wobble.

Assembly by factory looks good, locktite as needed and the screws are not overly tight.
I only found one screw on a mixing arm that was loose.

Clutch/Fan Hub runout was less than .001

Main Blade Hub made from Alum, and also clamps on main shaft.

Inner air baffle to help direct airflow over cylinder head.

Thrust Bearings in T/R blade grips.

90 degree setup on linkages.

One piece Engine Mount.

Socket Head bolts, only a few Phillips head.

Main Frame design, largely a scaled down Freya, looks strong.

Parts Prices

Manuals and Parts List are posted online.

Items I would like to see improved:
No magnet spot molded into fan for governor.

Tail Pitch Lever screws are milled smaller in diameter than slot in the Tail Pitch Plate is wide, replaced with Hirobo part.

T/R shaft had side play between bearings, I added a shim to correct.

Clutch rubs top of fan hub, no relief cut in hub or spacer shim provided.

Fuel tank clunk hit back of tank. I was going to replace that line anyway with the black Hayes tubing, trimmed shorter to provide some clearance.

Servo screws do not have built in washer and will not fit through eyelets. I ended up leaving the grommets and washers off, and using Thunder Tiger servo plates. Some say this works well, I have never used this method before. I like servo screws with the built in washer.

Canopy grommets provided have too large of an ID, I replaced mine with some from the hardware store that fit.

Canopy is rough on the outside, smooth on the inside, should be other way around.

Blade bolts have too much thread, should be all shank thru the blade and grip.

Fuel tank fitting hole is too small; I opened mine up with a drill to 5/64.

Short one ball and screw. Came with a small bag of 5 each, 3 went on cyclic, 2 went on throttle, nothing provided to connect the T/R pushrod to the servo.

Servo Frame looks to be just plastic without any fiber content, I expected it to be fiber filled.

Tail Rotor servo mount flexes some, adding a couple of webs on the back would help.

Outer bearing in T/R grips do not have any shields, just a plain open bearing. I will eventually replace them with a shielded set.

Rigging:
There are two holes in the mixing arms, comes with blade links in the outer holes, you need to move them to the inner holes. With this setup you get the following:
+ or – 12 degrees collective with 6 degrees cyclic movement of the blades.
You also have a 1 to 1 flybar ratio.
However, at full pitch/cyclic you can twist the main blades and the mixing arm goes over center, not sure this would ever happen in flight.

If you drill a new hole on the mixing arms 3mm inboard of the existing inner hole, the setup changes to this:
+ or – 14 degrees collective with 6 ½ degrees cyclic.
You also get a 88 % flybar ratio, flybar moves 15 degrees and the blade moves 13.

Link from swashplate to mixing arm needs a small bend near top just below threads to make rod end clear set screw in paddle pitch arm.

Misc:
Balls links and T/R pitch links a little tight, I resized mine with the special tool. Depending on how fast they loosen up/wear out, I may not the next time.

My Paddles have a very sharp leading edge, I rounded mine off some with sand paper. Weighed 22 and 21.8 grams.

T/R blades are very flexible and short, weight 5.1 grams each. I am trying the Hirobo 92mm blue blades like the Freya uses, 7 grams each.

Came with red dampeners installed, I bought the clear ones, going to try the red first and then replace with the clear.

Auto bearing covers had a lot of drag on the Auto-Rotation Drive Shaft, I sanded I.D. of mine to loosen them up some.

I plan on adding a strap behind the fuel tank.

Spindle is 6mm.

Radix Blades both weight 136.4 grams.

Total dry weight of my heli with OS50 Hyper, MP II, GV1, GY601, 1700ma Nicad, 9252’s, 8 lbs exactly.

Assembly Manual and Parts List:
If you have assembled a Heli or two, all the info you need is there. Both of them have a few errors: Assembly Manual shows assembling items that already are; Parts List is missing some parts on the machine and shows others that are not. They need to add sizing to the parts manual, the bearings just say “bearing”, no dimensions.

Final Thoughts:
I am sure I have forgotten or missed a few items. Most issues I would like to see corrected or improved are not exclusive to this model. Many of the items I would like to see changed may in fact not improve the performance or longevity of the model, it is just my version of correct. I was hoping it was going to weigh a little less. They got the big items right, like the gear mesh, thrust bearings, clutch runout, and metal hub, ok the T/R shaft needs a little work. I like the overall design, and the price is right too!
12-07-2006 Over year old.
 
 
Brian C
Heliman
Location: Houston, TX

Pictures

12-07-2006 Over year old.
 
 
JONW
Heliman
Location: Fontana, Ca

Landing gear cross struts are on backwards.
12-07-2006 Over year old.
 
 
Al Austria
Key Veteran
Location: Gainesville, FL

It couldn't matter less.

RReModels
Century Field Rep
Always remember you're unique, just like everyone else.
12-07-2006 Over year old.
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Brian C
Heliman
Location: Houston, TX

Strut Direction

JONW

I Installed them this way on purpose, it keepes the T/R higher off the ground, which helps from hitting it when I do one of my bad Auto's. All of my Heli's have the gear on this way.
12-07-2006 Over year old.
 
 
AzHyper
Veteran
Location: Peoria, Az.

Thanks for the review. I've run into almost all the same issues you have noted plus my "second gear" is hopelessly warped. I'm still waiting for MTA to answer my email about warranty on this part. I think this heli is in the "you got what you paid for and then a little more" category though I was a little surprised at the final weight. I should have mine flying is a couple of weeks. The vids seem to show a light and flickable 3D heli in the right hands. How does the 61/2* of cyclic feel?

The only real potential issue I have is that the price will make it attractive for new heli folks, but the manual and build up would be much better suited for those who have built a few helis before. The broken english manual is a real crack up...

I think competition is a real good thing. Compass has a decently designed heli here and brought it to the consumer at a great price. They are expanding the line and welcome feedback directly from the consumer. Now they need to work on that supply network!
12-07-2006 Over year old.
 
 
raptor50luvver
Veteran
Location: southampton UK

u/c looks stupid that way,its better to put it the correct way round and just use a spacer at the back end mounting point to raise the tail up,looks much better

hey its your heli though

i found none of your problems with either of my 2 pastic Knights
12-10-2006 Over year old.
 
 
scottc
Key Veteran
Location: shakopee minnesota..USA

can you tell me what way the tail unit is going to spin after you hook the belt up on the tail shaft.also what is the part number for the clear dampeners... scott

Hey I didn't ask for this fetish.!!!But I'am sure paying for it....
12-10-2006 Over year old.
 
 
Brian C
Heliman
Location: Houston, TX

Tail Rotor spins counter clockwise as viewed from the right side
with the fin behind the T/R.

Clear dampners P/N 02-0105

Brian
Flies really nice.
12-10-2006 Over year old.
 
 
scottc
Key Veteran
Location: shakopee minnesota..USA

looking forward to getting mine off the ground, the boys at my Field hate it when i keep trying different heli brands.still can find the clear dampeners on the mta web site tho.

Hey I didn't ask for this fetish.!!!But I'am sure paying for it....
12-10-2006 Over year old.
 
 
AzHyper
Veteran
Location: Peoria, Az.

As you build one of these take a look at the clutch pinion. Mine was loose. When I disassembled it I found that there was no locktite here either.

On a more positive note, the clutch liner appears to be glued in place and then turned on a lathe to the final dimension. Nice touch!
12-15-2006 Over year old.
 
 
r.j.models
Veteran
Location: farnham,surrey uk

im considerign transferign from a rappy 50 to oen of these seems alot better flying than a rappy 50 any opinion on this?

sponsored by trex450
12-16-2006 Over year old.
 
 
killerg
Senior Heliman
Location: Ontario, California

Well after dumping my EVO 50 into the ground and destroying it, I didn't think it would be destroyed, it didn't hit that hard, I am going to go pick up Knight today! Havent decided which version yet, plastic or metal head.
12-18-2006 Over year old.
 
 
Jason Bell
Elite Veteran
Location: San Diego, Ca

Plastic all the way, lighter so it will fly even better!

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12-18-2006 Over year old.
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r.j.models
Veteran
Location: farnham,surrey uk

True True but is the plastic head really upto the harder 3d manouvers...?

sponsored by trex450
12-18-2006 Over year old.
 
 
Brian C
Heliman
Location: Houston, TX

The way it is designed on this Heli, I think it is. Unlike the Raptor that bolts onto the main shaft, this one slips on the hub, and has a much larger area of support as the alum. hub is twice the dia. of the main shaft.

I have a couple of gallons thru mine so far, flies really nice,
crisp cyclic, stable hover, pulling 12 degrees at 1900.
12-18-2006 Over year old.
 
 
killerg
Senior Heliman
Location: Ontario, California

Well I went with the metal version. I didn't know that it came with metal frames though, thought that they were plastic. A quick overview of it looks pretty good. Not the best quality avalible, but good. I am going to completely tear it down and rebuild it. I only trust me building my helis.
12-19-2006 Over year old.
 
 
JONW
Heliman
Location: Fontana, Ca

Your going to be happy with the metal frames, Let me no if you need anything.
JON
12-19-2006 Over year old.
 
 
flyinhigh2
Heliman
Location: Washington D.C.

Looks like a nice model - I am looking for a premier 50 in my fleet.

I have a Evo 50 now - I like it, but would like to see what else is out there, and this looks real good...

Can anyone tell me how it flies compared to the Rappy or Evo 50?

Thank you

D
12-22-2006 Over year old.
 
 
scottc
Key Veteran
Location: shakopee minnesota..USA

Just got done doing a test hover, wont get much more than that the rest of the winter here. but the heli feels good so far....

Hey I didn't ask for this fetish.!!!But I'am sure paying for it....
12-22-2006 Over year old.
 
 
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