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e-Align T-REX 250-450-500-600 > Intro to 3D videos!
 
 
caseyjholmes
Elite Veteran
Location: SoCal

I Keep seeing threads popping up asking how you start into 3D. I can only do my best to help explain, and I used my "junk box" Trex 450 SA to do it with. But I believe we have good enough footage to get the point across.

As Tony "Dakine" sudgested in another thread, some of the basics would be:
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1. Hover nose in and tail in (stationary)
2. Inverted nose in and tail in (stationary)
3. Figure 8's (slow and smooth)
4. Inverted figure 8's (slow and smooth)
5. Backward figure 8's (slow and smooth)
6. Inverted backward figure 8's (slow and smooth)
7. Flips and rolls (all attitudes)
8. Stationary flips and rolls (all attitudes, nose in and tail in)
9. Autos

I Decided to go out and get some of this on video. everything BUT autos
depicted. This is a good crash course video of tricks you should absolutely be able to do, before going into heavier flying
I made two videos. One intro to 3D, and one "basic 3D" video.

Here is the first of the 2 videos. I am working on the second one.
Once you can do everything in this video, you are nice and primed to learn some 3D

http://www.holmesrc.com/files/SA_3D_prerequisite.wmv

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11-25-2006 Over year old.
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caseyjholmes
Elite Veteran
Location: SoCal

Video #2
First basic 3D tricks: FF loops, FF rolls, stationary flips, piro flips and simple single chaos flip

Voice commented. Might sound a bit funny, but I'm trying to fly and talk at the same time, so don't laugh too hard

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11-25-2006 Over year old.
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kingair
Key Veteran
Location: Utah - USA

I would add one thing to your list of basics and that's right side up and inverted piros. Being able to hold a steady piro has sure helped with many tricks and made piro flips just happen.

I think backwards flight and piros both right side up and inverted are very important to be comfortable with.

There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
11-25-2006 Over year old.
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caseyjholmes
Elite Veteran
Location: SoCal

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I would add one thing to your list of basics and that's right side up and inverted piros
Check the videos. They are covered in both of them

the setup on this heli is:

GWS 6ch rx
phoenix 35 esc
2100 15C tp prolite
hs55 servos for cyclic
gws picco BB servo for tail control
CSM HLG LW gyro (no remote gain adjust)
align 3500 kv 430L motor
11T pinion
headspeed about 2600 rpm
Pro woodie 325 blades

(it was cutting in and out a bit, but seems to fly better at OCHC field as far as glitches)

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11-25-2006 Over year old.
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slider46
rrProfessor
Location: Gloversville, NY

Very nice job on the videos Casey, that should answer everyones question on what to do next. There is so much to do and so little time to do it..

Tom..... No "D" flying....
11-25-2006 Over year old.
 
 
alanhsu
Key Veteran
Location: Vancouver, Canada

Very good info.
This is great help to beginners.

There are a bunch of info around on building helis, but nothing much on flying it. Odd.

I was trying to get into chaos by ... well just doing chaos. Now I'll try it your way to see if it helps me round out my edges.
Thanks.
11-25-2006 Over year old.
 
 
caseyjholmes
Elite Veteran
Location: SoCal

I might try to edit the videos with an overlay of my transmitter sticks.
Give me a couple hours and I might be able to work it out..

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oopsididitagain
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Location: USA

GREAT THREAD. can it be stickied?
11-25-2006 Over year old.
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caseyjholmes
Elite Veteran
Location: SoCal

Couldn't figure out how to inset the video of actual stick movements into the video itself.

I'll do a more advanced "next tricks" video tomorrow or the next day. Can't wait till I get my 450 SE back up..

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ShellDude
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Location: East Coventry, PA

great stuff casey. very insightful. i'll be coming back to these often.

~~OCHC~~
http://www.glumbert.com/media/spiders
11-25-2006 Over year old.
 
 
slider46
rrProfessor
Location: Gloversville, NY

I'm well on my way I have the hovering tail in down pretty good.... Now for the inverted piro figure 8....Did I miss a step in there????

Tom..... No "D" flying....
11-25-2006 Over year old.
 
 
caseyjholmes
Elite Veteran
Location: SoCal

Thanks for the kind comments.

Heres some footage of my 600 today, although a bit on the fuzzy side.
Those plastic tail blades still don't seem to be working out good. I'll know when I pick up those CF TB's from Lowflyer, If it's just me or the blades..
I'm sure all that pitch doesn't help much either

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3D WASP
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Location: Home of the Reagan Library, CA

you missed somethin....haulin a$$ chaos with pitch pumps!! hehe

Timing is everything
11-25-2006 Over year old.
 
 
caseyjholmes
Elite Veteran
Location: SoCal


Video 3 should be more interesting. I'll try and work the videos up to explianing my actual ability limits eventually.

up next:
tic tocs, (beginning pitch management)
continuous chaos, (heavy pitch management)
inverted forward/backward and normal forward/backward hurricanes,
funnels,
and combining moves with piros and pitch pumps.

Funnels in every direction is where things start to get heavy
I could probably make this all look better on a more optimal machine..
but doing it on low end parts is like relearning it all over again for myself

Also, if I bang the sticks, this setup "warns me" by a quick "cut out and back in" when I let off the stick banging. Helps me learn management
alot more! kindof a cool setup. Cheap to fix and crash. My beater!

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Jon the Rooster
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Location: Johns Island, Charleston, SC

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tic tocs, (beginning pitch management)
continuous chaos, (heavy pitch management)
inverted forward/backward and normal forward/backward hurricanes,
funnels,
and combining moves with piros and pitch pumps.


and one more thing "DON'T BE AFRAID!"
11-25-2006 Over year old.
 
 
AlanR8
Key Veteran
Location: Saddleworth near Manchester (UK)

Still having problems with Tic Tocs in the REAL world, would appreciate a commentary......

Alan
http://heliweb.co.uk
Raptor 90, YS 91 ST4, MP2. What a blast!
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caseyjholmes
Elite Veteran
Location: SoCal

You got it

I am just about done rebuilding and programming my SE. I will need it for the continuous chaos and the hurricanes for sure, as it has nicer electronics which makes it easier for me to handle those moves

IF you can do all the stuff above already, it's likely you will want to upgrade to a "hotter setup" by this time anyways.

Once it's finished, I'll head out and do a Tic Toc video, and spend a whole battery on trying to teach them..
Anyone feel free to add any comments they feel I'm leaving out. I'm winging it and trying to do this as best I Can..

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3D WASP
Veteran
Location: Home of the Reagan Library, CA

I find it Key to be able to do this for 3d: Learn how to catch the heli in all "falling orientations" by this I mean learning how to catch the heli in a tail slide, nose down, knife edge tail to the right, knife edge tail to the left. Learn how to do all of these with both the rotor head facing towards you, and do this with the skids facing you. This all being after you have learned the basics and can fly figure 8's upright and forward, upright and backward, inverted forward, and inverted backward, along with tic tocs, rolls, flips, piro flips, etc etc. Then you can get into 4 point tic tocs, piroing tic tocs, then piroing 4 point tic tocs. The orientation of the tail and knowing how to catch the heli is the most important aspect of 3d and hard 3d flying. The people who can do this well are the most entertaining to watch. Thats what I gather after doing this 10 months.

Timing is everything
11-25-2006 Over year old.
 
 
AlanR8
Key Veteran
Location: Saddleworth near Manchester (UK)

Tic Tocs are probably the first critically collective management manoeuvres.

Flips and rolls are easy in comparison. I THINK I have them down now in the sim , and subject to weather blah blah, I need to get the stick time in!

Will look forward to your input on this move

Alan
http://heliweb.co.uk
Raptor 90, YS 91 ST4, MP2. What a blast!
11-26-2006 Over year old.
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caseyjholmes
Elite Veteran
Location: SoCal

I am having a discission in PM that I thought would be interesting in this thread..

There are TWO or three types of chaos, as well as left handed and right handed chaos.

One is the continuous piro flip method, where orientation can easily be judged by one piro per half of a flip. You work up to this by doing piro flips faster and faster untill you can eventually turn it into what I will call "single piro chaos".

The second method, or the way of the Szabo and the Youngblood masters..
would be to piro the tail a few times before each flip. It would be best to learn this one after the continuous piro flip chaos, since that will help you learn pitch management easier.

From what I have come to understand.. this is how Szabo does the multi piro chaos thingy..
http://www.runryder.com/helicopter/t166784p1/

But I am approaching a different method to it. You can see me do two types of chaos in this clip:
http://www.holmesrc.com/files/12Z60...ustersFINAL.wmv


The first ones are the normal piro flip single piro chaos. The second ones, (subtitled "learning multi piro chaos^) you can see the tail spin several times before each half flip.

I start the multi piro chaos by going straight into normal chaos tail in. Once the heli is nose-in inverted, piro once, untill the nose comes back around again. Start the second flip just as you would the first one with a half circle in the same manner and direction as the other half circle. Hope that helps to make some sense?

I'm not any good at the Szabo type chaos yet.. but I'm trying to learn it. Would be neat to be able to hold it in front of my face doing that like Youngblood did in vegas, that got me hooked in the first place!

Rant over..

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11-26-2006 Over year old.
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