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Engines Plugs Mufflers Fuel > Standard YS91 Head into Viper like Head
 
 
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Location: Sat Down

I've decided to convert my standard YS91 ST head to run the two glow plugs 'like' the viper head, as i can't warrent spending $130 or £85, If people are interested in having this mod done to their own head by myself i reckon i could do the conversion and mirror polish the combustion chamber for about $25 or £15 + postage, turn around would be 2 days. PM me if your interested. Regards

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11-16-2006 01:55 PM
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Pinkbike
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11-18-2006 04:01 PM
 
 
Dr.Ben
Elite Veteran
Location: Richmond, VA, USA

More importantly, what characteristic in the way the engine runs with the single plug head or you hoping to improve? Unlike the OS engines, the YS's benefit relatively little from a Viperhead assuming the guy tuning the stock engine knows what they're doing.

Ben Minor
11-18-2006 04:14 PM
 
 
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Senior Heliman
Location: Sat Down

There goes another rib pinkbike!!!!

With the two plugs and polish you get a more efficient fuel burn, performance is gained and the smoothness of the engine is increased. I fired up the heli for the first time today with my mod done to it (Vibe) ((pinkbike and ukhelinut were present)). This is a brand new engine and straight away you can tell by the engine note even on standard settings it sounds great, I'm puting more fuel through it tomorrow and fine tune the settings but as things stand at the moment i'm over the moon, I can't see why this mod can't be done on any standard head be it a 30 through to 90, I have a spare standard head for the YS91 and i'm going to try putting three plugs just to see what happends, (it may get a little busy in there but it can be done) Regards

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11-18-2006 07:02 PM
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KCT
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Location: Ontario, Canada

can you post some close up pictures of your mod, so people can see
how well it was machined and so...

Cheers

Kay


That's not flying, that's crashing with style...

TeamBob00, WildCat, Helitron
11-18-2006 08:58 PM
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Below Average
Senior Heliman
Location: Sat Down

It will mean removing it from the engine but i will do in time, i'm no novice to machineshop work, I work on formula one(Ilmor engines) and the new A380 airbus so i'm no 'garden shed' hobbiest. everything i do and produce are class 1 products, ('no concessions' i am everything i say i am. I just can't see why people will pay over the odds for something that for me is easy to produce.
I can do this for OS and YS engines it's no big deal, i will post tomorrow with more results. Thanks for your interest

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11-19-2006 02:04 AM
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alfred
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Location: Australia, New South Wales, Mid North Coast

How about you buying a standard head and modifying it, so that we can buy the package of you?.
It would take a months for me to get my head back (YS91ST). Wouldn't want to see the heli out of action for that long.
I do think that you are on a winner there.
11-19-2006 02:13 AM
 
 
Below Average
Senior Heliman
Location: Sat Down

Many thanks for that alfred, anything is possible, just let me know. Photos will be posted tonight.
Regards

(All PM's will be answered as soon as possible)

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11-19-2006 09:41 AM
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Pinkbike
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Location: UK

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11-19-2006 10:53 AM
 
 
sluggo
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Location: Kitchener Ont

I have had about 5 ys 91's and done almost every mod you can do to them. I have ran them stock, with viper head and moded stock head. Paul Soha in the US had added the secound plug to his ys 91 about 3 years ago. It does help a very small amount with the idle but that is about it. You can get more power out of a ys 91 but you need to mod more then the head and then they just do not last long after.

More power = OS!!

Chris
11-19-2006 01:46 PM
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Location: Sat Down

The two plug head is not an all out power mod, it helps with the smooth constant running of the engine.

Anyway just got back after a further 3 tanks, things are just starting to bed in now, the engine sounds and performs great, I'm just about to take the head off and have a look, give me an hour and I'll post the photos. Regards

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11-19-2006 05:18 PM
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11-19-2006 07:20 PM
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sluggo
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Location: Kitchener Ont

Very nice job on the head!!!

"The two plug head is not an all out power mod, it helps with the smooth constant running of the engine".

Ya that is what I found with the viperhead as well. The motor did run smoother in idle and idle ups.

Chris
11-19-2006 07:28 PM
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Pinkbike
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Location: UK

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11-19-2006 08:54 PM
 
 
Pinkbike
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Location: UK

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11-19-2006 08:55 PM
 
 
UK Helinut
Senior Heliman
Location: Gloucestershire

BA are you going to give Pinkbike good head?
11-19-2006 08:58 PM
 
 
Smokeyboy
Senior Heliman
Location: Stavanger, Norway

On the funny side, I once asked a European 3DM contester what the purpose was of a dual plug head (Viper). His reply was: “It’s something that Americans use because they are terrified that their engine is going to stop while they are performing a tail in, up right hover”

****----Who the heck is Szabo???----****
11-19-2006 09:19 PM
 
 
darkfa8
Key Veteran
Location: Eatontown, NJ, USA

In automotive engines do you realize that polishing the combustion chamber has no net effect on improving performance in any measureable way?

Leaving a slightly rough surface, typically with 80-grit carbide rolls does help slightly to improve the way the air and fuel mix in the chamber. Otherwise, polishing it to a mirror finish does nothing but look pretty and who is going to see in your combustion chambers anyway?

The primary reason combustion chamber work is done is to take off any edges that could promote hot spots that would lead to pre-ignition of the air/fuel mix. Also, to improve, where confines allow, the turbulance in the chamber to better mix the air/fuel.

Unless you can show a dyno graph, or produce repeatable, controlled conditions that show improvements with your methods, the polishing is a waste of time.

Like Ben said, if you know how to tune the YS motor to begin with, it doesn't really require any "mods" to be a better motor.

If I were going to do anything to the motor and had your money to burn, I'd send the piston, cylinder head, back plate and crank out to be coated by SwainTech or Polydyn. A thermal barrier coating on the combustion chamber will be more effective at concentrating combustion temps to make for a hotter combustion event. A thermal barrier coating on the piston crown will also help, along with a friction reducing coating on the piston skirt. A friction coating on the crank will aid in keeping windage down and can increase RPM ability. A friction reducing coating on the back plate will slow wear and tear if the connecting rod journal end comes in contact with it. RC car guys have used these methods with some measureable success.

All in all, the wear factor is the larger benefit since even on full size auto, marine and motorcycle engines with these treatments only show small percentage output gains, on a model engine of this size, the benefits would likely be damn near nill.

But hey, some people like gold teeth. They don't chew food any better, but they sure do look nice.

- Dan G. -
11-19-2006 10:06 PM
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Location: Sat Down

I take on board what you say about the polishing, but, this is not the real issue about this particular post is it, the whole post revolves around the conversion of a standard head into one that has two plugs, doing away with expensive upgrades.

As for sending engine components away for treatments such as plasma nitriding or hard chrome these will require additional machining before and after they have under gone the sub-contract process, so before you all start sending items to 'SwainTech or Polydyn' i'd suggest you don't

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11-20-2006 10:23 AM
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Pinkbike
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11-20-2006 04:54 PM
 
 
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