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Safety - RC Helis are not toys > Accident at Whittier
 
 
BigRob
Veteran
Location: Long Beach, CA

Accident at Whittier Narrows

Was anyone flying at Whittier Narrows today who saw the accident?

I heard about it but don't have too many details. Just something about a heli running into a pilot flying an electric plane?


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12-02-2002 Over year old.
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BigRob
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Location: Long Beach, CA

Bad

Something about someone flying an electric when suddenly a heli and the guys face made contact.

I don't know whos fault it could be, if you've flown Whittier before, you know what kind of hairball it usually is during the weekend. Especially with all the plankers out there.

I know the electric guys have center field behind the pilot stations and the heli guys to the left. I've seen electric guys accidentally land their planes on the heli side try to retrieve their plane without throwing caution to the heli pilots flying there before they enter the area. but on the other hand, I've seen heli guys fly into the electrics area.

I'm not trying to pass blame onto anyperson. The information would be good to know to help keep this from happening again.


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The BigRob
12-02-2002 Over year old.
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irq
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Location: San Diego, CA

Wow. All I have to say is that I'm sorry for whoever got hurt. Please reply here with any details you may have.
12-02-2002 Over year old.
 
 
Jim C
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Location: Indiana, PA

that place doesnt even sound cool.. sounds like a bloodbath waiting to happen. that is horrible.


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SAL
Veteran
Location: Oakville, Ontario, Canada

We have a place that is similar to this here near where I live.

It's a large piece of greenbelt land, and is huge!!!
People come over and you find them scattered all over the place, you don't even know what frequency they're on????
(you ain't gonna walk half a mile to find out what frquency they're on)
Not to mention the walking public, and the kids playing soccer way down there!!!!!
Point being it's UNSAFE and I will never fly there, and I want nothing to do with it.
Yet ever weekend I still see flyers out there

Bottom line is RESPONSIBILTY, sure accidents happen, but if the site is run in a responsible way, the possibilty of human injury is nearly zero.

Also who can I contact to stop this unrestricted flying, as someone is gonna get hurt !!!

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Waldo
Veteran
Location: Middle of the corn patch (Iowa)

Won't be long and the lawsuits are going to start rolling in, and believe me when Lawyers go after money they go after everyone involved. So keep that in mind next time you build a helicopter for someone or produce a niffty little purple upgrade part.

[b]Bill[/b]
12-02-2002 Over year old.
 
 
Jim C
Veteran
Location: Indiana, PA

its a crying shame one cant go enjoying his/her hobby without worrying about getting sued. i mean come on if it was gross neglect i can see like intentionaly flying a helicopter or airplane at someones skull but the majority of mishaps are 100% accidents. accidents are just that ACCIDENTS. too many sue happy people lookin for an easy buck,pound,euro,kroner or whatever money you use where your from. and there are too many weak judges out there who will make their ruling out of sympathy. i.e the stupid person who spilled coffee in their lap at mcdonalds... give me a freakin break.. i dont drink my coffee cold and i have enough common sense to tell me not to put boiling water in a place it doesnt belong... people like that should be drug into the street and dealt with also the judges who listen to that type of b-s need to be replaced other wise no one is gonna be able to burp or fart with out being sued for damage to the ozone or some stupid crap.. but then i guess if common sense was common, everyone would have it...
makes me sick to my stomach
jim
ps. i really am sorry to hear that something horrible has happend and im curious to hear the details also..

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Stet
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Location: Long Beach CA

If the AMA rules are followed, and common sense is employed, there should be no reason to expect accidents. In this hobby, unfortunately there is a great deal of disregard for safety and I'm sure it will take it's tool eventually, closing all fields in populated areas. Personally, I don't want to have to drive 150 miles just to fly my models.

At our club we have only one pilot up at a time, and if a second pilot wants to fly, he has to get the permission of the individual already flying, at least that is what the rules package says.

If someone flies a heli into my body when they are violating flightline or other established and signed off safety rules, you can bet I'm going to sue the crap out of them (if I'm still alive). I am really tired of people who can't follow the most basic precautions, and with RC helis as with loaded guns, there is no room for stupidity or sloppy behavior.

Personally, I keep my eye on all flying helis to make sure I have time to get out of the way.

I'd like to know what happened at Whittier. If someone got hit above the shoulder it had to be pretty serious. I'd like to discuss it with our club members, and maybe make them sign off on the monthly meeting minutes to show a paper trail that training has been continuous and responsible.
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Dragon2115
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Location: New England

budc,

In civil lawsuits it's a jury that decides the case, not the judge. And jury selection is a science all to itself. That's what makes them so risky sometimes and why a lot of times they are settled out of court even though common sense would say there is no case. The other trouble is that the devil is in the details. In the event of an accident with a model heli it could be simple pilot error where they dumb thumbed it, in which case the argument put forward would be did the pilot exercise adaquate caution or not. It could also be component failure. The argument here would be did the owner adaquately maintain the heli so as the failure could have resonably been prevented. Most likely the component manufacturer would be named in the suit as well. (One reason for the higher prices of stuff, to cover the litigation btw.) Now the sticky part, it doesn't matter what's right or wrong or if the pilot was in the right or not. that's pretty much secondary. What matters is which lawyer can convince the jury they're right. There have been many cases where the defendant was totally in the right but lost the case simply because the jury felt sorry for the plaintif. Case in point, the McDonalds' coffee. The reason McDonalds lost was because their coffee was found to be 15 degrees hotter than anybody elses thus increasing the risk of burns should it be spilled. That is what convinced the jury to side with the plaintif. I'm not saying any of this is right, in fact I'd argue for serious Tort Law reform, but it is how the system currently works. I feel if you're dumb enough to put hot coffee between your legs while driving you've got nobody but yourself to blame if you get burned, regardless of how hot it is.

Stet,

You're abosolutely right that if the AMA rules are followed there should be very few accidents, other than for a component failure that is beyond our control.

You also show excellent foresight with having a documentation trail that shows the club has done the very best it can to ensure safety. That documentation can be the difference between winning and losing a lawsuit, and the field, for a club.



In the case of this accident at Whittier Narrows I just hope that the person hit didn't get hurt too badly, they recover quickly, and that it ends there.
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superstallion
Senior Heliman
Location: Jamaica, New York

it seem's like there is no witnesses or maybe none of them have access to runryder
12-03-2002 Over year old.
 
 
Erich
Senior Heliman
Location: SouthernCalifornia

A guy flying an electric airplane was flying in the helicopter area when he was struck in the head by a 30-size helicopter with wood blades. He was sliced open across the side of his face. He was wearing glasses... this saved his eye. He's been in the hospital since it happened. He was uppose to have gotten some plastic surgery tonight. I heard this from a friend of his at the field today. I did not witness the incident.
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IsaaX
Senior Heliman
Location: Cerritos, CA

Thanks for the information 3Drcheli. I hope he fully recovers from the accident. I sure hope the people who fly at Whittier start acting responsible by setting some strict guidelines. Having a guy/guys out flying their planes at the heli area was just asking for trouble even when there's a designated area for planes. I dont exactly know the whole story behind the incident, but I've heard that Whittier is just a dangerous place to fly at due to the lack of common sense among the people who fly there. I'm glad that the field I fly at has strict guidelines and that everyone respects them.
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MG
Key Veteran
Location: California

IsaaX where do you fly?

Is there a field near Marina Del Rey?
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IsaaX
Senior Heliman
Location: Cerritos, CA

MRGrantSr,

I fly at the same field robdoyle (the starter of this thread) flies at. I fly at a field in Long Beach off Carson St, directly across the street from Denso.
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BigRob
Veteran
Location: Long Beach, CA

Ow!

Man, this is one of reasons I don't like flying out at Whittier. I've been flying for a year now and thats the one field that scares the hell out of me. Why?

1) Crazy Rude Planker Pilots
2) Small heli section...they practcally fly right behind the planker pilot flight line
3) Electric guys always wander out into the heli section
4) Heli guys usually wander out into the electric section
5) Plankers freak out and panic when they have to deadstick and land in the heli section every now and then. Most of the time they crash on top of the bike/walk path or out in the woods.
6) Crazy Rude planker pilots
7) FLight line faces the west, so after 2PM it's a nightmare to fly facing the sun all the time. Especially when the 60 Freeway is 75 yards to the South, and a gun ranch is to the North.
8) High traffic area. Many times I've seen spectators wander into the pilots areas only and start asking questions. Even heard a few stories of stuff disappearing.
9) Did I mention crazy rude planer pilots?

Not to beat down on the Plankers. I've flown fixed wing out there before and not all of the planker pilots are wankers. Just the majority of them. D


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Safe_Cracker
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Location: Chicago, IL

Hmmmmm.

Is there that few of flying fields out that way?I live in a highly populated area and we have several SAFE fields to fly at.It's sad when people get hurt but around here we ususually see self inflicted injuries (including myself ) but Idon't think I have ever heard of anyone getting chopped.In all respects there seems to many plank accidents from showing off to crowds.Maybe now AMA will step in and give you guys an extra field or two.I wonder under what situation the heli flyer didn't notice that the guy was standing in the field flying his plane.I have the problem at my little "private" field that deer walk out to see what the noise is but I am able to keep away from them.I hope this guy recovers well because I know from experience it will NOT be a full recovery.

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GerryRap
Senior Heliman
Location: Chino Hills, CA

The bad thing about this field is that the heli section is shared by the electric plane section. The small electric park fliers don't fly in the same section as the regular larger planes. So, there is only one (small) section for helis, electric planes, zagis, and the like. I think when the field was designed, there were no electric planes yet. I don't like flying there too. I'm a beginner heli pilot and I am weary about flying in that small field. I'm always afraid that I'm going to crash on the freeway, the control line area, the bike trail, or the woods. Hovering is probably ok. I too have seen a lot of crashes in that field. I even saw a plane crash right at the spot where a heli pilot was standing just 2 seconds before. Then I saw a huge biplane crash right on the control line circle. I even heard of a heli crashing behind the fence where all the spectators were watching, on a weekend! Luckily nobody was hurt. I have to look for a new field to fly.

I hope that guy will be OK.
12-03-2002 Over year old.
 
 
BigRob
Veteran
Location: Long Beach, CA

Hey GerryRap

Hey Gerry, I agree. Do you fly at Whittier or Prado? I used to fly a lot of gliders up in Chino Hills area, but not as much since I started flying helis.

You should visit our field this coming sunday, Dec. 8th. We (CHAPS) have this big christmas fly in thing going on with raffle and stuff.

We used to fly at Crystal Park Casino. Now we fly in LongBeach.


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MG
Key Veteran
Location: California

Thanks IsaaX!

I fly there too. I'm trying to put a face to your name.
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BigRob
Veteran
Location: Long Beach, CA

Raffle FunFly?

Should be fun this Sunday with the Raffle and everything. Maybe I should get in touch with Ken. I think we're supposed to have food and stuff, but I could bring my grill by and grill up some dead animal.

With our trusty safety officer, Mark G. we can be sure to have a fun and safe day of stick banging.


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