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e-Align T-REX 450-500-600 > A123 Racing 3S 2300 Turbo Pack - 3200 RPM @ 14.4V Setting
 
 
ShellDudeElite Veteran - Location: East Coventry, PA -
Hi All,

NOTE
For those wishing to skip the pre-test drama (I had a couple issues getting the right pack from A123 initially, proceed to page 2 of this thread to the post titled The Real Test Begins.

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I received my A123 3S pack, turbo module, and charger today. I've only had a chance at this point to look things over, size it up in the Rex & my Abomination, and weigh the pack & turbo module.

The Pack

The pack construction is somewhat shoddy. I would've liked to have seen them do a better job of applying their label. When I first looked at it, I was reminded of some stickers my 4 year old daughter applied to one of her toys the other day.

The configuration is actually a take back to the NiMH/NiCAD days. It's a 3 cell long config. The dimensions are 123mm X 30mm X 30mm . This is not the dimensions that are posted at the A123 Racing site and I may rearrange the 3 cells at some point depending on my final setup.

The Turbo Module

I really don't know anything about the module yet. I haven't even read the little instruction sheet, however A123 says that its supposed to allow me to dial in my desired voltage anywhere from 10.8 to 14.4 volts. It was a bit heavier than what I expected. It's dimensions are 50mm X 50mm X 15mm.

One final note about the pack and turbo module. WILL YOU PACK MAKERS PLEASE STOP GIVING ME CR@PPY DEANS CONNECTORS. I hate Deans yet everyone slaps them onto their hardware without any consideration whatsoever for those that like REAL plugs such as Power Poles.

Pig Iron Weight

So it's not the lightest. But the combined weight of the module and pack coinside with the weight provided at the A123 Racing website. Compared to my EV20 1800 3S packs, I'll be gaining approximately 100g in weight. Whether or not this is a detriment is yet to be determined because of one factor alone... my ability to dial in a voltage, and the pack's ability to sustain that voltage.

This expectation is the crux to my analysis. If I am unable to sustain my 13V goal, I'm going to pack this stuff back up and send it back. The cheap pack assembly and the errant dimensions alone are enough to p*ss me off, but I'm not going throw in the towel just yet.

How it looks in the CF HDE Rex



Ok, so it fits in the frame, but how does it fair with the canopy?

The Canopy



It's obvious I'm going to have dremel new mounting holes or use the Align plastic mounts and bend them a bit. I see no way around this at this point without reorienting the pack. Not that big of a deal in the grand scheme of things. This probably isn't an issue for folks with an SE, or a custom frame... especially those that flip the motor upside down.

The Twist

It fits like a glove in my Abomination... and my T-Rex canopy fits as well with no modifications. Since my Abomination is already considerably lighter than the Rex, I may end up using it as my initial test bed.... still undecided... I really need to stress the pack and my Abomination simply doesn't draw the current I need to validate my hypothesis so I may just do it for it kicks.

This review is far from over.

Next I'll be covering the charging process. I currenly only have a 3A AC/DC power supply so I may pop the hood on my truck if it overtaxes it. A123 tells me I should be able to get a full charge in 15 minutes and I see no way possible to get there with a mere 3A supply. My old PC power supply may have been able to do it, but it burned up a couple weeks back.

Once I'm done with the charging process, the real test begins. I see no reason at all why I can't have this in the air (assuming it stops raining here) by Saturday. That means I should have some data from my flight recorder Saturday evening and that should settle this one for me once and for all.

As my British buds would say, Cheers!

Shell
08-31-2006 Over year old.
 
 
AnnihilaT
Key Veteran
Location: The Netherlands Force: The Dark Side

These cells are not really meant to be used on something as small as a trex. To get the advantage you would want to put them in something around a 50 sized machine i think. However im curious how they do on a trex Should be a hoot! Keep us posted.





A day without sunshine is like, well, night.
08-31-2006 Over year old.
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ShellDude
Elite Veteran
Location: East Coventry, PA

I'm with ya... but you should know me at this point AnnihilaT... I don't do anything orthodox.

I've got an EDF jet that this setup will work dreamy in regardless of the results in the T-Rex so even if I'm disappointed here, I still have the 100mph plank to contend with
08-31-2006 Over year old.
 
 
AnnihilaT
Key Veteran
Location: The Netherlands Force: The Dark Side

I would have gotten a couple more and tried them in the 600

Dont blame you for trying them on the 450 tho... i would have done the same





A day without sunshine is like, well, night.
08-31-2006 Over year old.
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ShellDude
Elite Veteran
Location: East Coventry, PA

If it'll keep the rex in the air for 10 minutes, not dramatically reduce my ability to fly at my comfort zone (sport flying) then I'm sold.

15 minutes to charge... no fear of fire. One thing is certain if I'm satisified... I'm going the ebay dewalt route. A123 is much too proud of these packs and it's a shame their construction doesn't reflect that.
08-31-2006 Over year old.
 
 
ShellDude
Elite Veteran
Location: East Coventry, PA

Update #1

More Charger Details

Dont even bother trying to connect the A123 charger to a power source that cannot supply 10A continuous. There is no variable charge setting... It's either 4C or nothing.

I've currently got it plugged into my truck's battery. By all accounts it should be done by the time I'm done with this message. At some point I'll connect my multimeter up to it to get some real life readings from it.
08-31-2006 Over year old.
 
 
sailor1000
Heliman
Location: Belgium

Following your progress with the A123 cell's, with great interest Shelldude. Planning to go the same way.Can it be that A123racing sent you a 2cell pack. (acording too cell dimensions?)
09-01-2006 Over year old.
 
 
ShellDude
Elite Veteran
Location: East Coventry, PA

oh sheesh... You're completely right. It's only two cells and in small print on their label is 6.6V.

So much for trying to take it up on Saturday. There's no point even messing with this 2S pack.

This should be interesting. I'll be sure to report back on the Customer Service experience.

Thank you for raising the quesiton. I read your message, scratched my head because I was initially confused about the mismatched dimensions and sure enough. When I weighed it I was pleasantly surprised by the weight.. as it was a bit less that what I had estimated but I chaulked it up as bad math on my part.... +/-50 grams.

Smack dab in the center of the pack you can feel the split between the two cells. I had just assumed the M1s were about the same size as Sub-C but their actually closer to 5/4 C sized.

This is what I ordered (taken right off the invoice)

Hypersonic Turbo™ 2300 HT-2300-3S1P

Signed,

Quite Annoyed.
09-01-2006 Over year old.
 
 
Boidman
Key Veteran
Location: Lipo Alley

Man oh man, delays. So it goes.

I sometimes pretend to be a detail kinda guy. You know, squeeze shake and 'adjust' presents to irk the givers with the correct guess.

Looking at your first image, the walls and floor molding are evident, but the rest begins to blur.

A small baseball bat could convince me that the foreground is the edge of an ironing board, and the usual lens distortion is generating the curvature, but what the heck is the darker component between the battery and the walls?
09-01-2006 Over year old.
 
 
AnnihilaT
Key Veteran
Location: The Netherlands Force: The Dark Side

Thats a television he has it sitting on.





A day without sunshine is like, well, night.
09-01-2006 Over year old.
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Boidman
Key Veteran
Location: Lipo Alley

Gots ta be. Thanks.
09-01-2006 Over year old.
 
 
ShellDude
Elite Veteran
Location: East Coventry, PA

lol, yeah, its a widescreen hdtv. my whitebox is currently full of clutter so pictures have been coming from wherever is most convienent.

I really don't know what to say at this point. I should go ahead and set myself up for the worst and assume that once they get me the right pack, voltage is gonna sag like grandmas bo... ah nevermind... u see where I'm going with this.

Shell
09-01-2006 Over year old.
 
 
sailor1000
Heliman
Location: Belgium

I read somewhere that using the 2cell and the turbo set at 10.7 (maxvolt) would result in a pack at around 1350 mah but with plenty off power.
09-01-2006 Over year old.
 
 
ShellDude
Elite Veteran
Location: East Coventry, PA

I heard it was a pig with the 10.8... 1300mAh would give me about 6 minutes flight time. Maybe the heli gawds will look favorably upon me and A123 will send me the 3S pack and eat the 2S one.

I'd be more than happy to capture flight recorder session data for both, but I'm not dropping another dime on this setup.
09-01-2006 Over year old.
 
 
chopperman1
Key Veteran
Location: Carle Place, New York

From this thread the first impresssions suck. Seems like they dont know what they are doing. I cant beleive they sent you a wrong pack, and how can they have the label like that.
09-01-2006 Over year old.
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caseyjholmes
Elite Veteran
Location: riverside, Ca

Dude,
I was expecting those to work out good! I Wanted to try one a while back too. It is awesome you are trying new things and sharing, but it's a pain how the product showed up and now it's not the right one!
Sounds like one of those days. Hope to see it all iron out for ya
09-01-2006 Over year old.
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StrangeRanger
Veteran
Location: VT

Hey ShellDude,
I've got a 2S pack w/ turbo module sitting here, wanna buy it? You can run 4S and parrallel the turbo packs
09-01-2006 Over year old.
 
 
ShellDude
Elite Veteran
Location: East Coventry, PA

Been a full day with no response from A123. I was able to yellowpages.com their telephone # (website only lists a fax). Spoke to their receptionist, got the name and number of the A123Racing guy, left him a voicemail providing my home number.

Not gonna hold my breath. My expectation at this point is that I'll hear back from them some time on Tuesday.

Shell
09-01-2006 Over year old.
 
 
ShellDude
Elite Veteran
Location: East Coventry, PA

Got some good news this evening from A123. Brian, the A123Racing guy responded to my email, provided me a UPS acct # to use, requested that I provide him the tracking number, and that he would get the 3S pack out to me as soon as I can get him the tracking number.

All things considered, I think this is a good step. His response was very professional and courteous.

So, we're back on track... a week behind schedule, but back on track nonetheless.

Will provide some updated pictures once I get the 3S pack (I'll try to use my white box this time boid ) And my thanks again to the gentlemen that pointed out the source of the errant dimensions. I probably wouldn't have found out until I downloaded my flight recorder data otherwise.

Shell
09-02-2006 Over year old.
 
 
sailor1000
Heliman
Location: Belgium

glad for you, shelldude. Overhere it's the same way. Recieved a pack from a buy on E-bay that had to be a DC9360 A123 36V dewalt batterie, but the .... sent me a 14V NIMH pack (DC 9091), and off course so far has not replyd my mails. Was hoping to make me 2 3cell, and 1 4cell A123 packs to try on my rexy.
09-02-2006 Over year old.
 
 
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