rrTV-PHOTO   New HD TV
HOME   rrTV-PHOTO   GALLERIES   MY GALLERY   HELP-FAQ
myHOME PM pmRR MEMBERS 633 ONLINE 45 EVENTS SEARCH REGISTER  START HERE
 
3 pages [ <<    <    ( 1 )     2      3     NEXT    >> ]25606 viewsPOST REPLY
A Main Hobbies . Boca Bearings . Modefo's RC Helicopters

.
.
New & Emerging R/C Helicopters > New Falcon 3D flight report and review
 
 
HeliDuce
Senior Heliman
Location: Nashville, TN

For the past several weeks I have been testing the new Falcon 3D helicopter offered by Hobby-Lobby Intl. of Brentwood, Tennessee. This new helicopter will be geared towards those that want to get into helicopter flying on a limited budget while still being able to have a Mini sized helicopter that's capable of 3D flight. The street price is expected to be around the $299.00 price range and will be ready to fly out of the box! I will include pictures and dimensions and will try to answer your questions should they arise.

Here are the specifications for the Falcon 3D Helicopter.

Specification

* Main rotor diameter: 630mm 24.8"
* Tail rotor diameter: 152mm 5.98"
* Length: 670mm 26.37"
* Weight: 530g 18.69 Oz


Packaging

The Falcon 3-D comes in a very attractive box that not only protects the helicopter but will also serve as a carrying case if you like, it even has a handle on the top. It is well packaged in foam, which should protect it from anything but a Gorilla deliveryman. The kit contains the following parts.

1. The helicopter and blade holder, 30 Amp brushless speed controller, brushless speed 400 class motor with heat sink, 6-channel micro receiver and heading hold gyro. Four micro servos to control pitch, yaw, rudder, and collective.

2. 6-Channel Transmitter with two switches and two rotary knobs to control pitch. Note: you will need 8 AA Alkaline batteries to power the transmitter.

3. Lipoly 1300 Ma 3-Cell pack made by Art-Tech.
4. Training gear complete with ping-pong balls, carbon rods, wire ties and fuel tubing to hold the balls on.
5. Lipoly 115V Wall charger.
6. CDROM with videos of various aircraft and helicopters that Art-Tech manufactures. The CD Also has FMS Flight Simulator on it and there is a cable included in the kit to plug into your transmitter and computer, a nice touch.

7. A small bag of tie wraps, (to attach the training gear to the skids) and two Allen wrenches. There is also a set of stick on decals so you can decorate the canopy if you like. And instruction booklet with exploded views of the various parts. Note: The instructions are written in broken English but the important information is covered as well as some diagrams and pictures.


The blades are constructed of wood covered with white heat shrink. NOTE: Be sure to balance the blades prior to your first flight! The tail boom is made of aluminum and the landing gear are constructed of some type of very strong yet light plastic. The frame is made of the same type plastic as the landing gear and appears to be very strong. This material should be able to take hard landings without breaking or cracking. The tail is driven by a steel torque rod with plastic bevel gears on both ends. This type of drive system is tried and true and has been used for a number of years. The canopy is constructed of a very light yet strong plastic and the windscreen is slightly tinted and looks attractive. The tail fin and horizontal fin are a tough plastic with cutouts to reduce unnecessary weight. The color of the canopy is a nice color of red which should aid in being able to keep orientation during flight.

The only thing needed are 8 AA Alkaline batteries for the transmitter and it’s ready to fly. I opted to use some rechargeable 2250Ma NIMH AA's instead of using alkaline batteries. There is a charging port on the side and standard wall charger plugs didn't work, I had to find one with a larger diameter hole in the center of the plug. As with any helicopter the proper setup of the controls and balancing of the main rotor blades and tail blades is critical. I found that the main blades required two strips of scotch tape placed on the CG of the blade to properly balance. The tail blades were balanced and required no weight. I strongly suggest you invest in some good quality jeweler’s screwdrivers so that you don’t strip the very small heads on the Phillips screws. Radio shack has them at a very reasonable price and I found a set of 5 for under $5.99. After checking all of the controls I found that they needed no adjustment, everything was centered except the throttle trim, it was at its lowest position which is correct.

First Flight

The first flight consisted of hovering the helicopter at head height to check blade tracking. The blades were in track and required no adjustment. At this point I did several strong climb outs to check the gyro authority. On full collective stick there was no tendency for the tail to loose lock. After hovering approximately 5 minutes the motor was warm to the touch and the battery was just barely warm. The speed controller was also slightly warmer than air temperature. Prior to the next flight I removed the back of the transmitter and turned the ratchet on the throttle over so it would glide smoothly and give a nice feel on bringing up the throttle. I personally don't like the racket action on the throttle for helicopters since it always seems that one click more of throttle either causes it to climb or descent.

More Flight Testing

After charging the battery I flew the helicopter and switched to idle 1 on the transmitter after reaching 50% throttle. Please note: You want to be sure you have the throttle open to at least 50% prior to switching to idle 1! If you were to switch to idle 1 upon initial startup it could cause the helicopter to spin or loose control since it would not have time to spool up correctly! After switching to idle 1 the RPM increased substantially and the heli felt rock solid while hovering! I then flew several figure 8's and circuits getting a feel for the helicopter. I have to say that it flies like a much larger helicopter, it tracks true with no tendency to pitch up. The heading hold gyro works as advertised and held the tail with authority.

I have now had a total of 20 flights on the Falcon 3D with no issues. I did purchase a slightly larger battery pack so I could get extended flight times. I am using the Thunder Power 2100ma pack and it just fits in the battery bay, albeit tight. The run time on the stock battery is just a shade over 6 minutes, with the Thunder Power pack just over 14 minutes. The Thunder Power pack is 3 ounces heavier than the stock 1300ma pack but it seems to fly just as well. The Thunder Power pack makes the helicopter slightly nose heavy but I did not need to change the trims and I had no problem holding a steady hover with the larger pack.



Conclusions

The Dragon 3-D by Art-Tech and offered by www.hobby-lobby.com would be a great addition to anyones fleet. With its good looks, great handling characteristics, small size, and price I think it will fill a niche that presently does not exist. A novice can purchase this helicopter and gain useful experience at a bargain price while learning and gaining their flying ability. I know from buying and flying helicopters during the past three years, I've spent more on one radio than the cost of this complete helicopter. If you’re looking to enter the exciting world of micro helis nows your chance, I just wish this had been available when I was starting out. As time goes by I'll keep you posted on how it goes, and I'll post my findings here. I will also include a video when I can get my camera lady to shoot it!

The Falcon 3D should be available this week if your interested in ordering it.

Till next time keep em flying!


Gary Morris
Nashville, TN
P.S. Pictures can be seen in my gallery online here in RR.
06-27-2006 Over year old.
 
 
TMoore
rrProfessor
Location: Cookeville, TN

When can I see it fly?

TM
06-28-2006 Over year old.
 
 
HeliDuce
Senior Heliman
Location: Nashville, TN

As soon as I can get my camera lady ( AKA Wife) to do a video, I'll post it here!

Gary
06-28-2006 Over year old.
 
 
TMoore
rrProfessor
Location: Cookeville, TN

I travel in Nashville a lot, I'll come fly with you one afternoon.

TM
06-28-2006 Over year old.
 
 
HeliDuce
Senior Heliman
Location: Nashville, TN

Do It!

PM me sometimes before you come to Nashville and we will fly some. I have a school yard about three blocks from my house that is vacant most of the time, a perfect place to fly electrics!

Gary
06-28-2006 Over year old.
 
 
Gene
Heliman
Location: Denver, CO

My Falcon

Just got my Falcon last Saturday. This thing is a major step up from twin counter-rotating systems. To say that the manual is in broken English is too kind. Looks like the Chinese was translated by a computer and not reveiwed by anyone who actually speaks English. Don't expect too much help here if you are a newby (like me). Even the pictures aren't much help. For instance, there is neither a description or a picture of mounting the battery so that it doesn't part company with the HC in flight. Maybe this is supposed to be obvious, but so are the mandatory liability-type warnings, that are illustrated, which say don't hover your HC over campfires or near electical lines!

I'm still trying to hover the thing to see if it's me or adjustments are needed. No mishaps so far. The quality seems fairly good, but I wish the documentation was better. Mine also did not come with the extra set of blades as advertised, and I am contacting Hobby-Lobby now.

Gene
07-17-2006 Over year old.
 
 
HeliDuce
Senior Heliman
Location: Nashville, TN

Falcon

Yes Gene the instructions are a joke but if you've ever flown a mini or micro helicopter you can probably figure things out. As far as attaching the battery make sure you place the battery pack so the CG is correct,i.e., lift the helicopter with the blades pointing 12 o'clock and 6 o'clock, by the flybar and make sure the skids are level. That will be where you want to have your battery positioned. I used velcro strips on the battery, frame and also a velcro loop around the battery and frame to hold it tight. Be sure to balance your blades, both main and tail! If your didn't come with woodies, get some, it flies alot better! Lastly I use a TP 2100 3 cell pack and get loads of flight time, with tons of power. I hope this helps!


P.S. The extra blades must be a misprint since mine didn't come with extra blades. I called Hobby-Lobby and told them about it, but so far haven't heard anything!


Gary

Trex 600,Gazaur Mars 480, Trex SE V2, ESky 550 ESmart, Eco 8 Royal, Dragnous II, Falcon 3D, SE,
07-18-2006 Over year old.
 
 
trashmanf
Heliman
Location: Kent, WA

this should probably be posted in the "electrics" new and emerging forum.
07-19-2006 Over year old.
 
 
Avi
Heliman
Location: Israel

___
07-24-2006 Over year old.
 
 
carlosjimz
Heliman
Location: sb ca

The falcon dance (before spins)

Hello
I decided to get this heli(falcon 3d from art tech), and ordered from hobby lobby,and let me tell you, very good choice, it is a well made, assambled piece of engineering. It was ready to fly, and all trimmed, very smooth hovering and good power. just one thing(since Im not well familiar with brushless systems) when I first connected the batery pack, a sort of beeps came from the esc. then I went to fly no problems at all. Now after few starts the motor does not engage as smooth as it was before and jerks a lot before spins for good. I belive is the soft start program of the esc.
Does anybody knows how to program this thing so I can get soft starts again?........... no information on art tech website about ther esc
thanks in advance
07-31-2006 Over year old.
 
 
rthomas67
Heliman
Location: Denver, CO

Just in case someone reading this thread wants to find the Art-Tech manufacturer web site with the pictures of all the parts, etc. for the Falcon 3D...

http://www.art-tech.cn/english/Arti...p?ArticleID=131

If that stops working, the main English page is

http://www.art-tech.cn/english/index.asp

(At least these things worked as of the date of this post.)
07-31-2006 Over year old.
 
 
HeliDuce
Senior Heliman
Location: Nashville, TN

Instructions for ESC

There are no instructions that I've found in searching around the Art-Tech website. The soft startup you speak of is only if you are in normal mode and once up to at least 50% throttle switch to 3D mode. I'm sure there is probably a way to program the ESC but so far I haven't found out how.

Gary

Trex 600,Gazaur Mars 480, Trex SE V2, ESky 550 ESmart, Eco 8 Royal, Dragnous II, Falcon 3D, SE,
08-02-2006 Over year old.
 
 
HeliDuce
Senior Heliman
Location: Nashville, TN

New Falcon 3D manual

For those that have bought the Falcon 3D and laughed at the horrible manual, I took the time to rewrite it! It's in word format and can be downloaded here: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=554285

If you don't already have the manual it probably won't help you!

Gary

Trex 600,Gazaur Mars 480, Trex SE V2, ESky 550 ESmart, Eco 8 Royal, Dragnous II, Falcon 3D, SE,
08-10-2006 Over year old.
 
 
bayou_flyer
Heliman
Location: Galliano, LA

ok.... I recieved my Falcon Friday and I took it up for the first time on sat(this morning). something puzzels me is that there is 2 wires leading into a plug coming from the ESC. it does not lead into any thing on the heli it just hangs there pointing toward the rear what is this wire for

RossRobichaux@yahoo.com
08-12-2006 Over year old.
 
 
HeliDuce
Senior Heliman
Location: Nashville, TN

I beleive that the two wires your talking about are probably used at the factory to program the speed controller. I would imagine they placed a jumper on the two connections then they programmed the speed controller. I wouldn't recommend trying to do that since you would have no setup instructions. I just put a piece of shrink wrap over my connector.

Gary

P.S. There is now a new PDF manual available at this link, I offer it with no warranty so use it at your own risk: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/show...70&page=3&pp=15


Gary

Trex 600,Gazaur Mars 480, Trex SE V2, ESky 550 ESmart, Eco 8 Royal, Dragnous II, Falcon 3D, SE,
08-13-2006 Over year old.
 
 
bayou_flyer
Heliman
Location: Galliano, LA

Ok, The wire coming from the esc is a "jumper wire" HOBBY LOBBY said I could just pull out the wire it just rips out. (A MULTI POURPOSE ESC MEANINg THEY USE IT ON MORE THAN ONE AIRCRAFT) I am on my second ESC my first one went out on my 3rd flight waited for HOBBY LOBBY to send me another and got it going again. now i am having problems that my tail servo does not alwayse lock in. I have to constantly feed in rudder for about a minuite of flying b4 the gyro locks in. I know some pple are gonna say u have to plug the bat in on the ground and wait for it to arm... well I do, the trim is rite and the gyro sets b4 the ESC is done and I dont move the heli at all b4 I spool it up and the wires that i said hobby lobby said its ok to pull out are still in place so i dont know why its acting that way.... and another question i have is about the bat. does any one know the C rating on the stock bat? what is the hichest c raiting i can run on the stock ESC?

RossRobichaux@yahoo.com
08-23-2006 Over year old.
 
 
oopsididitagain
Veteran
Location: USA

so any more review on thie heli? any setbacks? seems like nobody want to say anything about it already.

something bad on the kit?

how does this compare to a honey bee cool?

thanks
08-24-2006 Over year old.
HOMEPAGE  
 
 
bayou_flyer
Heliman
Location: Galliano, LA

well actually i dont see ant thing wrong with it i have had a mis hap but hobby lobby fixed it right away mines flies perfect i just think there are not too many out yet I seen mine do inverted at the controll of my instructor/friend he threw it around like a rag doll doing the same things he does with heis t-rex stall turns, inverted, rolls all in wind about 15 mph with the training gear on it we said he was shocked and i love it compared to my honeybee cp 2 gyro works great i just had to set my tail servo to trim it out

RossRobichaux@yahoo.com
08-28-2006 Over year old.
 
 
HeliDuce
Senior Heliman
Location: Nashville, TN

Falcon info

Since most here on RunRyder are hardcore Trex fans there's not been much activity as far as posting on the Falcon. There is a huge following at RCUniverse with over 212 posts and 4100 hits. The Falcon is listed under this link:http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_4...e_1/key_/tm.htm

Gary

Trex 600,Gazaur Mars 480, Trex SE V2, ESky 550 ESmart, Eco 8 Royal, Dragnous II, Falcon 3D, SE,
08-28-2006 Over year old.
 
 
oopsididitagain
Veteran
Location: USA

it's been ridiculous since HL shifted the in stock date 3 TIMES!!!!
08-28-2006 Over year old.
HOMEPAGE  
 
 
3 pages [ <<    <    ( 1 )     2      3     NEXT    >> ]25606 viewsPOST REPLY
XHELI.COM . Autography FlightPower . Advantage Hobby

.
.
New & Emerging R/C Helicopters > New Falcon 3D flight report and review
  UPDATE SCREEN   PRINT TOPIC Advertisers 

Subscribe to This Topic

Wednesday, July 9 - 4:12 pm - Copyright © 2000 - 2008 runryder.com | email | link to rr | runryder needs cookie