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Speed - Performance - Drag Race > 10cc is bullpoo
 
 
KC
Elite Veteran
Location: WA

theres been a few fellows on this forum building really fast helicopters for all out speed. The FAI limits this kind of attempt to 10cc displacement, 5kg weight, 100m horizontal entry, and 200m timed course, both directions, if youre going for a record.

Thats kind of like racing at le mans with a minivan. It does not encourage many fellows to try for all out speed. officially its at 89mph, thats easily possible with many 91 powered machines today. unofficially it stands around 110 mph with a 10cc motor that was a brute, according to its owner, the speed god John Benario. Well the only successful 10cc motors so far are converted rf and sx with custom liners, porting, etc, running as high as 23k. to keep up with the jones, an os rf or sx is going to have to run higher and then it will destroy itself if it hasnt already ripped gears apart. cant go much faster than that with the given rules.
So to get around this I have been design a machine shaped like a fish, 3 inches wide and using two stage gear reduction with the clutch bell on the second pinion so the firebreather 2000 can idle (once I find a 61 that will do 3.5-4hp without destroying itself in a minute or less), and run the headspeed at 2500k.....pretty ridiculous right.
and all the other record attempts are limited to 10cc. while all these 15cc motors arent doing 110-115 mph in a speed chopper?! they easily could.
think i'll be putting a 91 in there, getting rid of the rube goldberg cr@p, and going drag racing.
11-03-2002 Over year old.
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KenJ
Veteran
Location: Ohio, USA

Mini-Van Racing???

Morning, r60fan!!

Jeez, you seem really disappointed with the ole FAI org.

I kinda had the same reaction since I had a machine nearly ready with a modified OS 91 in it.

Gotta look at it this way though, I have yet to see a machine go faster than a hot 60 in either vertical drags or horizontal drags!

At IRCHA this year, 60's finished 1st ahead of the open "BIG BORE" machines in both the drags and the Time to climb.

The last two years since the big bore engines have been out, no one has made them the performance monsters they have been touted to be.

Sure they have possibilities, but they have not won any big drag races yet? or have they???

Maybe next year at IRCHA I can convince Ron to put together a speed run event so we can see for sure.

Later,

Ken

Team JR
11-04-2002 Over year old.
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GM1
Elite Veteran
Location: Tallahassee, Florida US

RPM

As in most motor sports... speed = rpm. The 60s turn higher and leave better. That's my story and I'm stickin' to it.
Gordie


On a dog sled team, if you're not the lead dog, the view never changes.
11-04-2002 Over year old.
 
 
Phil Cole
Veteran
Location: Redwood City CA

Minivans

About ten years ago, there was a Peugeot minivan racing the European touring car championship. The ETC is as competitive and popular as NASCAR in its market.

They were regularly in the top ten until getting banned. A minivan beating BMWs, Audis, Volvos , etc, didn't send the right message to the recipients of TV advertising watching at home.

So, I would be careful about racing minivans, you may be staring at the back of a Town and Country some day
11-04-2002 Over year old.
 
 
NEM3
Veteran
Location: New Lenox, Il

So that's why everyone around Chicago drives those things like there Mario Andretti.


It all makes sense now
11-04-2002 Over year old.
 
 
KC
Elite Veteran
Location: WA

hey minivans have a good wheelbase, but they still suck!

yeah I'm disappointed in the whole 10cc thing, its kinda silly that there isnt a triple digit official speed. its hard enough to be under 5kg and have a machine that doesnt want to destroy itself past 100mph. I'm in it for the speed more than a silly record.

come to think of it, I'm not even going to make it FAI compliant, I just like the speed and want to see/hear it. besides whats the first thing anyone asks you about the choppers "how high does it go, how fast does it go?" why tell them when you can show them

I'll agree the lower recip mass of a sixty will out accelerate a 90 any day of the week, but thats not the criteria for all out speed, just drag racing/time-to-climb....accelerative events. I want to build a fast-@ss chopper thats also "daily driver", having repeatable 100+ speeds.
I doubt the best 10cc motors will last more than a gallon trying to push 100+

Hopefully somebody will break that d@mn record, its 14 years old, should be a triple digit new record, hell a minivan can break it
11-05-2002 Over year old.
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NEM3
Veteran
Location: New Lenox, Il

Got that right on the minivan. When I was cruising out to the feild on Sunday I had some jerk and his family in a Dodge Caravan tailing me all over the expressway. So I figure, get up to 80mph and that should take care of him. Well I was wrong, I shot all the way up to 100 and he was still right behind me, its wasn't till I got past 105 that this guy couldn't accelerate anymore.

And this is with his whole friggin family in the vehicle. Wife and 2 kids from what I could see.
11-05-2002 Over year old.
 
 
Jagboy69
Key Veteran
Location: Lake Mary, Florida (20 mins East of Orlando)

Here's a novel Idea.... I have access to NOS parts and accessories,, anyone ever try it?.. I love flying 2 feet off the ground with full collective and then yanking the cyclic for a kick @$$ loop, rolling out half way into it and then landing nose in about 10 feet from my car.... It's a 400 dollar german Opel Kadette so I'd probably get a kick out of it if it the machine ended up in the passenger seat of the car through the windshield.... Now that would be an awesome bar story sipping back a good german Brew....

Jason /// Sceadu50/9chp WWW.Jagboy69.com
11-05-2002 Over year old.
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Safe_Cracker
Key Veteran
Location: Chicago, IL

LOL..

That's why my family car is a Pontiac Grand Prix GTP sedan, with a few mods..
11-05-2002 Over year old.
 
 
Paulsworld
Senior Heliman
Location: Lake Zurich,IL.

WHOAW!!!! Safe..... I'd still spank ya with my Honda "Grand Prix Killer" Odyssey.....
11-19-2002 Over year old.
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NEM3
Veteran
Location: New Lenox, Il

Oohhhh geez, not another stinking Mini-Van driver. ITS JUST A MINIVAN
11-19-2002 Over year old.
 
 
Paulsworld
Senior Heliman
Location: Lake Zurich,IL.

It has to be a Ferrari in my mind...I'm married with kids.....
11-19-2002 Over year old.
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NEM3
Veteran
Location: New Lenox, Il

LOL, I know the feeling. except the married part.
11-19-2002 Over year old.
 
 
Paulsworld
Senior Heliman
Location: Lake Zurich,IL.

Any chance your a member of the Rock Valley flyers?? or know Jeff Jones of Rockford?
11-19-2002 Over year old.
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NEM3
Veteran
Location: New Lenox, Il

Nope, sorry, I fly South instead of North. I have been trying to get ahold of a few of the North siders to find out where and when they fly, but no luck.
11-19-2002 Over year old.
 
 
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