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e-MS Composit Hornet > MS Composit Scale A-Star AS 350, Ecureuil AS350 with triple rotor head
 
 
balsabasher
Senior Heliman
Location: Delaware, OH, USA

Ok, by now a number of you flyers have had a chance to buy, build, and fly this bird. WHAT DO YOU REALY THINK OF HER!
I talking about options from actual flyers, hanger queens can do their own posting else where!
08-24-2006 Over year old.
 
 
RevGadget
Veteran
Location: Decatur, Alabama

I picked up one Saturday 09/15. I'm using three HS65HB's, GY401/S3107. I tried a HS50 on the tail, it was too short (didn't want to enlongate the hole). Also a PCM 138 Rx, TP1500, & CC25.

I'd hope to hover it today but I was unsuccessful. I had to fix the T/R pitch slider binding by enlarging the holes. Next there was gear mesh of the motor/tail gears. When I spun it up the first time it shook/screamed like crazy. I did the paper test, but the gear mesh was still too tight. The next spin up was a lot better. It was smooth when the blades set in. But just as it got light on the skids, the tail holding firm, and the adrenaline rush began, the esc kick out. Looks like the 300/34 is too much for the CC25.

So until I get another esc, I'll work on the fuse choosing a paint scheme.


3D2me= One eye on the Tx, one on the Heli and my thumbs in between.
09-19-2006 Over year old.
 
 
RevGadget
Veteran
Location: Decatur, Alabama

Successful Hover

Ok, while waiting for a 35a esc I installed an old Align 25a esc/ 3s 2100mAh and hovered today. Had to dial in neg expo on the 9c Tx and adjust the gear mesh. With winds 6+mph it was a chore keeping it stable, especially when I applied rudder input. When I did, it would drop 2-3 feet.

Set with a linear Pit Crv, and 0,60,75,75,85 Thr Crv, I had to drop the GY401 down to 45%. I'm using a Trex rod to push the tail control.

I'm not happy with the T/R control, so I'll install the HS50 and bump up the HS. I'll post a vid.


3D2me= One eye on the Tx, one on the Heli and my thumbs in between.
09-21-2006 Over year old.
 
 
jlabat
Heliman
Location: San Carlos, CA, USA

Any new flying experiences ...
09-30-2006 Over year old.
 
 
Heli PIC
Senior Heliman
Location: Petaluma, CA USA

Hi all, I am thinking to get an A350 as an addition to my scale fleet. Before I dish out the $$$ for this project, I have a few questions in regards to the build and the flight characteristic for the design.
Is everyone having tail-boom-being-too-long problem? If yes, how much do I have to shorten for perfect fit?
Is there any upgrade you recommend to better its flight characteristic, eg metal tail pitch slider upgrade....?
Are you guys using a second gyro for the pitch axis?
Please also share pictures of your completed pride and joy.
Many thanks, Hiko
10-01-2006 Over year old.
 
 
helimeister
Heliman
Location: Torrance, CA-USA

Revgadget,

That is one beautiful paint job on your A-Star! Did you do them yourself or had it done by someone else? I would like to get mine painted like that but my painting skill just sucks. Also, body is too fragile for a extensive paint job like yours... How did you do it?
10-06-2006 Over year old.
 
 
Razmo
Key Veteran
Location: Chicago

Agreed, looks Beautiful!

I'm also in the process of looking for someone to apply a professional paint job on my 350 body. I'd very much appreciate some help.

p.s. Revgadget, I'm going to try a Futaba S3110 on the tail. It is a torque servo but it's rated at .10sec/60 degrees.

p.p.s. Where did you find a TP1500? On the website it jumps from TP1320 to TP2000.

p.p.p.s. Flight weight is rated at 400g. Do you know what your bird weighs?

Raz
10-06-2006 Over year old.
 
 
RevGadget
Veteran
Location: Decatur, Alabama

Thanks guys! I used automotive Dupli-Color paint & clear coat. I put the body together and painted it using masking tape. The letters are done with the Testors Kit (water-slide paper).

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Where did you find a TP1500? On the website it jumps from TP1320 to TP2000.

...Flight weight is rated at 400g. Do you know what your bird weighs?


Sorry I said TP1500. Its really an Align 2100mAh.

I'm glad you asked about the weight.
mech 335g
Fuse w/paint 62g
It weights 547g with the 2100 (150g). The TP1320 weighs 85g.


3D2me= One eye on the Tx, one on the Heli and my thumbs in between.
10-06-2006 Over year old.
 
 
helicc
Heliman
Location: Indiana USA

Guys, If this helps to anybody, I found the link where one guy is describing AS 350 assembly. I can not imagine how much time he had to spend on it. Great job "kdill" whoever you are !
I may think to buy one as this goes ¨so much into details I do not need a manual.

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=549165

HELI CC
10-09-2006 Over year old.
 
 
RevGadget
Veteran
Location: Decatur, Alabama

Tail Boom

Its worth mentioning to anyone interested. The Tail Boom is VERY thin. One should use caution when/where you test out the mechanics. It bends easy! And how do I know?


3D2me= One eye on the Tx, one on the Heli and my thumbs in between.
10-09-2006 Over year old.
 
 
Zod
Heliman
Location:

RevGadget, great job painting up the fuselage. I am in the early stages of putting my kit together and, although I am nowhere near flying it yet, I can definitely attest that this thing goes together like a jewel! Very enjoyable build so far.

Revgadget, can you tell me how you did your clearcoat? Please don't say that you used an HVLP gun or some high test auto paints - seems like everytime I see a nice clearcoat it's because someone used one of these methods. I've looked into them and they seem too labor-intensive for the average joe...
10-10-2006 Over year old.
 
 
RevGadget
Veteran
Location: Decatur, Alabama

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Revgadget, can you tell me how you did your clearcoat?


All rattle can. Model Master for the base colors and I used the Automotive Dupli Color Clear Coat ($5). If I had to do it over, I would recommend Krylon fusion for plastics. It has a high gloss finish when it dries.

Zod, you did a great job on the heli in your gallery. Its awesome!


3D2me= One eye on the Tx, one on the Heli and my thumbs in between.
10-10-2006 Over year old.
 
 
AlpenheliHeliman - Location: Austria -
RevGadget,

How did you prepare the fuse bevore painting ?

I just washed the parts with alcohol but while removing the masking tape I removed the paint. I used the 2 component acryl paint I alway use on my fibreglass fuselages using my HLVP spraygun.



Stefan
10-10-2006 Over year old.
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RevGadget
Veteran
Location: Decatur, Alabama

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I just washed the parts with alcohol but while removing the masking tape I removed the paint. I used the 2 component acryl paint I alway use on my fibreglass fuselages using my HLVP spraygun.


I used Palmolive dish detergent and let it dry. After that, handle the fuse with rubber gloves. I tested the acryl in my airbrush and didn't like the results (same as your pic).

I then decided to use the Model Master Lacquer. They didn't have the clear coat in stock, so I used the Dupli Color. The Model Master clear coat can be layered for glass like shines. And one look at the price of the small bottles drove me to the rattle cans.

I recall doing a MD500 w/Shogun mech, that was made out of the same material. After the paint cured, the fuse became brittle. (I think it was an enamel, but I'm not sure.)

So be careful in the paint type selection. Thats why I recommend the Krylon.


3D2me= One eye on the Tx, one on the Heli and my thumbs in between.
10-10-2006 Over year old.
 
 
Micro-Maniac
Elite Veteran
Location: Pasco,Washington Formerly: Captain Chaos

Scuff all shine from the surface for adhesion.

I like Pactra lacquer paints in rattle cans myself.
10-11-2006 Over year old.
 
 
RevGadget
Veteran
Location: Decatur, Alabama

I would like to point out that after cleaning, scuffing is not necessary if you use Krylon Fusion Paint. Nor did I use any on the fuse in the gallery using Model Master. Those pic's are of the second fuse. The first fuse I did was of the Swiss Heli scheme and I used a little scuffing with scotch brite. What I experienced was that the fuse is fragile . And care needs to be taken not to remove (by scuffing) or cover the details (rivets) with paint in the process.


3D2me= One eye on the Tx, one on the Heli and my thumbs in between.
10-11-2006 Over year old.
 
 
Zod
Heliman
Location:

Revgadget, thanks for the kind words regarding the 230 pics in my gallery - I used Tamiya paints thru an airbrush, then *lots* of Tamiya clear spray paint. Then lots and lots of sanding with progressively finer grit sandpaper, then extensive waxing. Like you point out, it is a huge hassle to avoid over-sanding the rivets and exposing the base coat beneath...

I am actually thinking of stiffening the AS350 fuselage, perhaps by layering some carbon fiber cloth "painted" in place with epoxy resin... or maybe just buying a second fuselage and "fusing" this inside my existing one with palsti-weld to create a two-layer shell. Seems like part of the problem investing the time in a nice paint job is that the fuselage in stock form is so easy to bend, crack, and warp. I dropped it from a height of less than one foot (off of a shelf on my workbench) and the nose was irreparably smashed in.
10-11-2006 Over year old.
 
 
Zod
Heliman
Location:

Got my A-star flying tonight. Revgadget is right, this thing is an absolute jewel! After some fiddling with the pitch/throttle curves, she lifted right off. I was very impressed with the 3-blade head- despite the low parts count, she flies very well and so far no unexpected tendencies. I had to work on the tail a bit - the ball bearings in the tail grips are a nice touch, but I kept breaking the 1.5mm bolts, so I went with the old stlye tail grips and the fused tailhub/tailshaft option. Once that was taken care of, she lifted right off into a stable hover. Pretty high headspeed - didn't tach it but it sounded like at least 2000-2100.

Will let y'all know how the fuselage builds up - I think MS is on to something with this 3-blade setup. Low parts count and similar stability/performance to a flybar rotor head...
11-12-2006 Over year old.
 
 
RevGadget
Veteran
Location: Decatur, Alabama

Its great to hear the good news Zod! Also, I'm glad to hear the old stlye tail grips and the fused tailhub/tailshaft option worked.


3D2me= One eye on the Tx, one on the Heli and my thumbs in between.
11-12-2006 Over year old.
 
 
ka244mog
Heliman
Location: uk // newcastle upon tyne

hi is there any videos of the heli with fuzz fitted flying ..
12-03-2006 Over year old.
 
 
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