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MAVRICK
Veteran
Location: Las Vegas NV

thats what ive heard about the R-22.

I like the Schweizer better then the R-22 because its more stable a and a little safer then the R-22.
04-28-2006 Over year old.
 
 
moorecj98
Senior Heliman
Location: na

You are doing the right thing by starting young. I soloed on my 16th birthday with 11.5 hours in a 1964 hughes 269A model. I wish you the best if this is the path you want to take. I took my 4 year old son up in a huey with the doors off and he's hooked.
04-28-2006 Over year old.
 
 
MAVRICK
Veteran
Location: Las Vegas NV

THANKS



I got the Aviation bug from my Dad,he's an airplane pilot and has about 5,000 hours in type He was a commerical pilot but not any more.My Dad tryed to talk my into flying Airplanes but I like the helis




Thats how my Dad knows Alan SzaboSr.Alan worked on an airplane that my Dad flew a long time ago
04-28-2006 Over year old.
 
 
gipper6
Senior Heliman
Location: Mckinney, Texas

Buy the David Clark Headset. The US Military uses them, the astronauts use their suits and they are awesome. Yes, the Bose is good, but you could buy 3 David Clarks for that price. I fly professionally, have over 5,000 flight hours and can tell you that David Clark is the best.

The best way to make a small fortune in RC Helis is to start out with a large one. Debt from above!
04-29-2006 Over year old.
 
 
moorecj98
Senior Heliman
Location: na

The thing i like the best about the bose is the are so light. I started flying DAVID CLARKS but the were heavy and sometimes slip off your head due to the vibrations in a heli and we all know flying a 300c without hands can suck. So if you have the money but a bose set. I think they still have the 12 month payment where you pay a 80.00 bucks a month
04-29-2006 Over year old.
 
 
TH-67Guru
Senior Heliman
Location: Daleville, AL-USA

R22's a death trap. Now doin autos in a jetranger isnt too bad, its very forgiving. when I learned fixed wing unusual attitudes and spin training was something I wanted to focus extra on. Im glad I did.... It changed my fear of the airplane to respect
04-29-2006 Over year old.
 
 
soupisgoodfood
Senior Heliman
Location: New Zealand

From what I've read, R22s aren't that bad as long as you know how to fly them. Sure, not as forgiving, but not exactly the deathtaps they're made out to be, either.
04-29-2006 Over year old.
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TH-67Guru
Senior Heliman
Location: Daleville, AL-USA

Yeah I have a friend who flies them. He absolutely loves it. To each his own I guess. I flew with him once in it before I went into flight school. Just after shutdown he uttered the words "cheated death once again" I havent flown with him since he's an awesome pilot in that thing, Just not my cup of tea. I enjoy flying airplanes with internal combustion engines, but helicopters is a different story.... I like the reliability of the turbine especially when it quits instead of looking around "out there" for a place to land, you're looking between your feet
04-29-2006 Over year old.
 
 
helibad
Senior Heliman
Location: Cameron Park, CA

R22

R22's are great Mechanically. They are somewhat reliable & don't usually have unexpected maintence issues like many other helicopters out there. They are extremely manuverable helicopters and have a LOT of tail rotor authority.

As far as saftey? They DO have special restrictions in place to increase the number of hours a pilot has before he can go solo in one (Robinson helped to put those in place to prevent extra deaths....) If you go to the Robinson Saftey School, you may get the chance to watch a video of an R22 getting carb ice in flight. Before the pilot figured out what happened, his rotor RPM was too low; the thing dropped like a rock, killing him & his newly wed wife

Knowing a few dead helicopter pilots starts to make you re-evaluate saftey statistics- they can be misleading. Make no mistake, R22's are not forgiving.

On the plus side, if you can fly an R22, you can fly anything!
04-29-2006 Over year old.
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fitenfyr
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Location: Port Orchard, Washington

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On the plus side, if you can fly an R22, you can fly anything!

Yep survived 40+ hours in them before the SFAR.
Glad I had the experience in that it taught me real quick how to respect the physics involved with helicopters and to READ the manual.
If you don't know the limitations of an R22 you will more likely kill yourself in the thing.

However I literally outgrew them (too many 100.00 hamburgers. ) and that certainly opened my eyes to what else there is and why I probably wouldn't fly one again.

There are "better" helicopters to train in overall, but the R22 will certainly teach you to be a better pilot if you get a few hours in them with a good instructor.

Side by side on the ramp I will crawl into a 269/300 series anyday and long before I will a Robinson again.

Jason Stiffey
Fly Fast....Live Slow...
04-29-2006 Over year old.
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Skiddz
Veteran
Location: Carlsbad, CA

Not trying to start an argument here, but having flown both the R22 (Beta and Beta II) and the Schweizer (300CB and 300CBI) I'd still have to say the 300 is more "rock-like" in it's autorotation characteristics.

As for accidents, yeah, the Robbies have a bad rep when it comes to autorations, power recovery or not, but you need to consider the sheer numbers of students training in the Robbies. If you look at the accidents per flight hour, the Robbies have a very good safety record - comparible to any other helicopter.

Having said that, I'll fly any helicopter as long as it's been well maintained.

A helicopter is 10,000 parts spinning rapidly around an oil leak.
04-29-2006 Over year old.
 
 
helibad
Senior Heliman
Location: Cameron Park, CA

R22 & 300 v 47

Yes, your right. The R22 & 300 both have lousey autorotation characterisitics. I think that the 300 edges out the R22 because it retains more rotor blade inerta due to it's heavier rotor system. The R22 tends to loose it faster. The R22 makes up points for it's awesome tail rotor authority (which the 300 stinks!). Conclusion? They both stink in certain little ways! As I posted earlier, the Bell 47 autorotates like a feather! Just look at the "Deadman's Curve" in the 47's manual and compare it to a 300 or R22, they aren't even close!

From a saftey standpoint, the 47's wonderful auto characterisitics make it shine; if it was only faster & had less "garbage truck" feel. Ok, guess I'll go buy the 500 instead. Anybody want to loan me $400k for a nice used one ?

Now.... To re-direct arguments, anyone have a chance to fly in a Rotorways? Talk about a death trap! I flew one here in Cameron Park a couple years ago and thought "This thing is going to kill somebody", less than a year later it fell apart in the air & did! Somehow I never did bother to call the FAA investigator to tell him I wasn't surprised.
04-29-2006 Over year old.
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moorecj98
Senior Heliman
Location: na

Rotorway try a mini 500 i have about 25hours in one. Now that was scary.. But not as bad as a R-22 I know Frank is glad that the FAA doesnt make full touch down auto's a must for CFI anymore
04-29-2006 Over year old.
 
 
MAVRICK
Veteran
Location: Las Vegas NV




Good thing,or we all would be dead
04-29-2006 Over year old.
 
 
helibad
Senior Heliman
Location: Cameron Park, CA

CFI full-downs!

I've heard stories about examiners getting out of R22's during a CFI checkride and saying "This is the part where you go down a full-down auto, I'll watch from here..."
04-29-2006 Over year old.
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Skiddz
Veteran
Location: Carlsbad, CA

Yes, each has it's plusses and minuses. I just don't buy the "R22 is a deathtrap" moniker. Pooch an auto in any helicopter and it could be the end of you. I personally like flying the 22. It's very nimble and reasonably fast for what it is. I know a guy who's been flying for 25+ years - Phantoms in the military, CFI fixed wing and helo, working on his ATP - who REFUSES to get in any Robinson helicopter.

I also like the 300. It's very stable and a piece of cake to fly. My only complaint about the 300 is having to fly with my left hand while I tweak the radios. Took some getting used to when I started my instrument training in 'em. Only done a few autos in the thing and managing rotor RPM wasn't too bad. Sure felt like we were comin' down at mach 7 tho.

I have a little time (and I mean LITTLE - 0.5) in a 500D. Haven't done any autos, but people I've spoken to say it pretty much falls out of the sky when you do one.

No experience with Rotorway (other than sitting in one at HeliExpo '05) so I can't comment on that one.

The Mini500 sure has a bad reputation, but I've never seen one up close and personal. Don't think I'd ever get in one myself...

A helicopter is 10,000 parts spinning rapidly around an oil leak.
04-30-2006 Over year old.
 
 
moorecj98
Senior Heliman
Location: na

Any heli over 2 blades isnt going to auto good anyway. The 500 is alright on auto's. Far as robinson's my company bought 6 new one and after about 10 hours of me and my boss flying one he sold all six within two weeks and we kept our 269's. Think about this. We live in the south where we man like to eat little too much cornbread. Im 6'3 200lbs and my boss is 6'1 265lbs so it was a little tight in that r-22
04-30-2006 Over year old.
 
 
helibad
Senior Heliman
Location: Cameron Park, CA

300 Left PIC v Right PIC

Yes, on the older 300's with left-hand Pilot in Command, it was a pain to adjust the radio, gps, etc. However, the newer 300's are righthand Pilot in Command thus eliminating the problem.
04-30-2006 Over year old.
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helibad
Senior Heliman
Location: Cameron Park, CA

R22 & the Fat Man

265 lbs in an R22? Isn't the highest weight allowable per seat 235lbs? I heard it was at 235lbs because the seat was designed to crush in a crash (shock absorption). At 265lbs I'd be afraid of the seat crushing during a hover-auto
04-30-2006 Over year old.
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moorecj98
Senior Heliman
Location: na

235 sounds about right. Who cares? Just fly the damn thing
04-30-2006 Over year old.
 
 
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