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Audacity Models Pantera 50 - Tiger 50 > Almost ready to pull the trigger!
 
 
basmntdweller
Senior Heliman
Location: Indianapolis IN

I crashed my Raptor 50V2 monday. It was a bad one! All that's left of the heli easily fits in a Glad plastic freezer bag. I figure it will be close to $220 to buy the replacement parts, not counting blades. LHS has the Tiger for $299. I know it flies well but Ihave pretty much learned all the R50 weak points and limitations. I really don't want to go through the whole learning process again for the Tiger 50. I was hoping someone could give an honest reply about what needs worked on, what are it's limitations, etc. I have read some of the threads here talking about only a slipper clutch on the tail and something about a weak spindle shaft. I know there are more issues, I just want to know what I may be getting into. I've had an EVO and I am still flying a Fury but the R50 was pretty much my everyday throw it around heli and it did well for me in that respect. At this point, I'm just trying to save a few bucks replacing a heli.

I don't want to come across as a jerk, but if you don't have some building, flying and maintaining experience with a Raptor 50 V2, I don't need to hear how great your Tiger is. I watched Marcus' video and it obviously flies very well but I want and honest, accurate comparison of the two helis.

Thanks,,,Matt
11-25-2005 Over year old.
 
 
doorman
Elite Veteran
Location: E.Berne, NY

Info.......

Hi Matt,

I like the way you asked your question and also your special request on "who" should reply to help keep the "cheeleaders" in check!!!!
To help varify that I have owned both (actually all three) you are more then welcome to take a look at my gallery..... and you will also be able to gather that I am not new to heli's either..... with that said....
I had my V2 and enjoyed it, but was not completly happy with it.... (my flying style... if you can call it "style"!!) And as you suggest, the 50 sized unit is for everyday fun and just general flying and having fun....
I built my Evo after the V2 was sold and I still have and fly the Evo, but have also just ordered a fuselage for it.... great flying heli but is not a unit that I can just go out and toss around the sky....
While at Toledo this year, I ran into John Beech (janitor @ Audacity ) and he showed me the Tiger..... and it got my attention.... so when I returned home I picked one up and set it up..... From DAY 1, this unit has done nothing more then make me happy that I purchased it.... it is nothing short of a "BLAST" to fly...... it is just a solid unit with no bad habits that I could find..... unless having fun flying is a bad thing....
I have also been reading some of the other "current" posts about bad bearings, false adds, and crash damage...... and I would have to say that from my experience with this and a lot of other units, it just seems to me that some people just need to say something, even if they haven't a clue, or no idea of what they are tallking about.... sorry guys, some of these posts have really been pretty lame.... I am going to stop here only becuase I can see myself getting WAY off the topic here...
I can truthfully tell you that I really feel that you would be very happy flying a Tiger 50.... the couple of minor issues that you mentioned can happen, but I haven't had a problem unless I was that one that induced it.... and as far as maintaining this unit.... it is just everyday common sense and you will have an excellent unit to go out and thrash around with and you will be smiling the entire time....
Can you tell that I like it???? If you check further you will find that Audacity listened/listens and has customer support that can only be explained as the best.... so you are the one that will decide to rebuild a "totaled unit" or start with something fresh, and even new!!!!!

Good Luck with your selection...... Stan..... (Get the Tiger!!! )

If there is a cure for this, please don't tell me about it!!!
11-25-2005 Over year old.
 
 
doorman
Elite Veteran
Location: E.Berne, NY

Not Everyone!!!!

darpaflyer
Pretty general statement... good luck with that.....maybe TT will send you a T-shirt..... Stan.....

If there is a cure for this, please don't tell me about it!!!
11-25-2005 Over year old.
 
 
basmntdweller
Senior Heliman
Location: Indianapolis IN

Thanks Stan,
That's the type of answer I was looking for! I went on heliproz and added up all the repair parts I needed. It ended up being less than I anticipated due to having quite a few parts in stock. It was still nearly $200 but that's better than $300 for the Tiger. I think I will put a Tiger on my Christmas list. You convinced me it's worth a shot. Just out of curiosity, what was your reasons for getting rid of the R50 and what didn't you like about the Evo for everyday flying. I know my Evo was better at getting really thrown around hard but I couldn't fly it nearly as smooth as my Raptor. My flying needs all the help it can get as far as smoothness If I could get the responsiveness out of my R50 as I had in my Evo but not lose the smoothness, that would be my perfect heli.
Thanks,,,Matt
11-25-2005 Over year old.
 
 
doorman
Elite Veteran
Location: E.Berne, NY

Glad to Help Out....

I really would have to say that the R50 was a nice machine, but I didn't like the "porpusing" in FFF with it.... I could hold it, but it was constantly there, and it just never let me "quite" relax on the sticks.... as if you had to wait for it and just be ready to correct for it.... not a big thing, but I just was not happy with it.... (plus everyone and his brother has one!!)
The Evo, I really enjoy, and it is a very smooth flier..... but as far as a thrasher.... no.... to pretty and the linkage set up is so critical (and nothing wrong with this either) so any crash damage was a bit time consuming to do and get retrimmed properly....
Enter the Tiger..... simple linkage, lighter then either the R50 or the E50 and just tears up the sky, and like I said, no bad habits that I have found.... I just like the way it flies and it is the machine that lets you "throw" the sticks in any direction just to see what it will do and be fully confident that it will pull out of anything that you put it into.....
So, glad to hear that you will be able to get the R50 back up and running, and I hope that Santa is very nice to you.... I am certain that you will have a ball comparing the two uinits.... and I hope that you will come back and let us konw what you find!!!! Stan

If there is a cure for this, please don't tell me about it!!!
11-25-2005 Over year old.
 
 
basmntdweller
Senior Heliman
Location: Indianapolis IN

Interesting that our views on the two helis are nearly 180 degrees apart! My Evo always wanted to pitch up yet my R50 would fly dead solid in FFF. Obviously differences in setups! I had a Caliber 30 that pitched up horribly in FFF. It went away after a short summer of flying
I do like the simplicity of the linkages on the Tiger.
Time will tell and hopefully I can do some comparisons shortly after christmas
Thanks,,,Matt
11-25-2005 Over year old.
 
 
jbeech
rrAdvertiser
Location: Sanford, FL (Orlando area)

I'm a little late to this discussion. The Raptor 50 is a fine helicopter. Naturally it has a few areas where we think we match up rather well. I'm also sure you're familiar with the issues involved with the Raptor, so I won't belabor them.

The Tiger 50 is a pretty decent helicopter and I'm proud to offer it to the market. I'm not claiming it's perfect, but it is a remarkably good flying helicopter. You mention watching Marcus Kim flying his Tiger in the video, so let me address that. First of all, Marcus could make a barn door look good, understand? The main reason I have that video is a) I'm proud of how well he flies his Tiger, and b) it serves the purpose of showing folks the basic capabilities of the Tiger. He's flying his with the stock spindle (you mentioned hearing it was weak), and has added harder dampening, a swashball kit ($9.99), and the 3D paddles and flybar (free to registered Tiger 50 owners). Other than that, it's stock!

Regardless, when you get right down to it, all the 50-class helis on the market are pretty good, so it becomes a game of details and features. That's been the puropose of my adverts, to educate folks on what we perceive are improvements to the state of the art (i.e. those which have taken place since Mr. Taya designed the Raptor back in 1997). After all, when the Raptor first came to market the Pentium II 450 MHz computer was pretty much the top dog! Since then, just as there have been improvements in computers and digital cameras, there have been improvements in model helicopters too.

What do you want to do to prep a Tiger for hard 3D use? Well, I think I cover most everything in the addendum to the instruction manual (which I authored). Surf to this link and you can download any or all of the manual (it's in PDF format) as well as the addendum (which I update as I learn things).

Tiger 50 PDF files of the manual and addendum sheets

If you take a little while to read through RunRyder and other forums you'll see the Tiger is remarkably trouble free. Early on there was an issue with bending spindles. The first guy to report it it turns out had cut down some dampers from anohter machine which were too hard (instead of using our harder urethane dampers) and as soon as he changed this, the issue went away. Others, however, we quickly identified as having an issue with excess play in the seesaw arms - but this only affected a very small percentage of owners (less than 10). Nonetheless, they made posts and we didn't hide from the issue and instead worked to determine what was going on and then worked to tell folks how to check fr it and/or correct it. I suspect you'll see the posts about this ceased.

We've also had an issue with the pinion gear and the bearing it rides in coming loose, but again, we addressed this and explained how to fix it. Hence, once again, I suspect you'll see there's not much in the way of complaints about this.

As for improvements, I'm the guy who pulls the trigger on manufacturing. When you hear it from me, there's no guess work as to who is saying what because I'm it. By the way, I'm a modeler just like you are. If I hear something isn't working as well as folks want, or when someone tells me a better way to do somehting, I work to figure out what we can do to improve or upgrade it, oor share what I've learned. For example, one of ur field reps came up with an idea for reversing the tail rotor servo so that you get a straight shot at the tail rotor. Another came up with an idea for improving the collective response of the heli, so i told folks about this as well. If you are interested, surf to this link to learn about an ugrade that's coming.

Beefier main rotor blade grip in the works

Anyway, I appreciate hearing that doorman's post was what you were looking for. He's a pretty good guy and has experience with both the Raptor and the Tiger. Naturally, I am rather biased, so if you take what I say with a grain of salt I won't blame you - but believe me, I'm not the type to try to blow smoke up your skirt either. What you see is pretty much what you get.

Basically, you'll never get that old line, "Really, we've never heard of anybody having that problem!" as we innocently bat our eyes at you. With a Tiger 50 you get a decent heli at a decent price, with fair support, plus access to the guy who makes the decisions (me).

Finally, there are a couple of pretty good stores in your neck of the woods who handle the Tiger, so you can go look at one up close for yourself. There's also a fellow name of JC Zankle up that way who is both one heck of a good pilot, and a nice guy. He might say something useful for you to hear about our product as well. Maybe you can speak with him. PM me your phone number and I'll give it to him.

My 2¢


John Beech - GM (and janitor)
Audacity Models
11-25-2005 Over year old.
 
 
basmntdweller
Senior Heliman
Location: Indianapolis IN

Good to read your post Jbeech!

I know and fly with JC occasionally. I will see him tomorrow so I will talk a bit with him then. I was fairly happy with my Raptor so I wasn't really looking to change but when repair parts approach kit price, I have to consider a change. My next 50 size heli will most likely be a Tiger though.
Matt
11-25-2005 Over year old.
 
 
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