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Audacity Models Pantera 50 - Tiger 50 > Is everyone using a governor?
 
 
flyingquisinart
Senior Heliman
Location: Detroit Area

Do I need a governor?

I haven't had a chance to get mine together yet (working 12 + hours/day--yuck!) but I bought the OS Hyper. My current bird is a Raptor 30 V1 w/ OS32 so overspeeding was never a problem--just things like broken clutches . I don't fly hard yet, just some things that pass for loops, rolls & flips.

If you do think it's necessary, what are your suggestions? I'm hoping not to spend too much.

Thanks

must have been a downdraft
11-09-2005 Over year old.
 
 
ESWLFSE
Elite Veteran
Location: Bradenton, FL USA

I think the governor is the coolest thing about my heli! I can't believe anyone would fly without one. No, of course you don't need one. You don't need a gyro either.
11-09-2005 Over year old.
 
 
doorman
Elite Veteran
Location: E.Berne, NY

No Need.....

I have never run a governor on any of my machines... and unless you are into the hardest of 3D, I see no need for one... I match my pitch and throttle curves, so as not to have any overspeed or engine lag and that takes away the need for it...of course this takes time to learn, but I have been asked which governor I had in my heli, and they are surprised when I tell that that I don't....
JMHO..... Good Luck.... Stan

If there is a cure for this, please don't tell me about it!!!
11-09-2005 Over year old.
 
 
ESWLFSE
Elite Veteran
Location: Bradenton, FL USA

It seems impossible to me that anyone could match their pitch/throttle curves perfectly for all conditions. I know I couldn't, and now I don't even need to bother trying.

I just love the sound of that rock steady headspeed and hearing the governor working to maintain it. The technology available in this part of the RC hobby really appeals to me, and I'm not passing up on any of it.
11-09-2005 Over year old.
 
 
darkfa8
Key Veteran
Location: Eatontown, NJ, USA

it's not impossible to get damn close or spot on... a tach helps.

I can see where this thread could go. Where technology makes flying easier. How much easier I guess is the question. I'm sure the technology is there or could be put together to make a rc heli perform a complete F3C or 3D routine with more precision then any human pilot could ever achieve.

Given the current technology, radio controlled is harder to fly then autonomous. Wouldn't it be just as fun to program in a routine on your computer, upload it to your heli and then go fire it up and watch it run through it's program?

hey, anyone download the new 2006 schedule into their auto-pilot computer? hah :P

i can see it now.. autonomous heli contests...let the machines battle it out while we watch.

oh yeah, as for the governor, if you got the money, don't mind having another electrical device that could fail, a solid headspeed, and it makes you happy, all the power to you.

Many pro pilots can do just as well without since they've all learned collective management and how to tune proper throttle/pitch curves.

- Dan G. -
11-09-2005 Over year old.
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ManuelCJr1
Senior Heliman
Location: Sun City, Arizona

I just put a Rev Max in my Tiger 50 and it is awesome. Not alot of people can set up a perfect throttle to pitch curve, so the governer makes it real easy. The rev max took about an hour to install and it makes a big difference. And at about 80 bucks you can't go wrong.
11-09-2005 Over year old.
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ESWLFSE
Elite Veteran
Location: Bradenton, FL USA

I can see how an experienced pilot would not want to bother with one, but as a beginner I consider it an aid to flying in that it makes throttle/pitch setup much less critical. I have no problem getting my subtrims within 5 of zero, ATVs within 5 of 100 in both directions with perfect deflection, etc. But throttle/pitch curves is something that takes a ton of flying skill to and programming changes to get right. Those settings also can change every time you change blades etc. I'd rather not mess with that all the time and just fly the heli.
11-09-2005 Over year old.
 
 
doorman
Elite Veteran
Location: E.Berne, NY

Curves!!!!

My post was not intended to say that there is anything wrong with using a governor, just that I have not seen any need for one in "my" flying...
And yes playing with the curves as needed is just a part of setting up and flying a heli with any given combination of blades or weather... for me....
There is nothing wrong with using the new technology that is available to us, and I learn from others in our group that do just that, and I try to teach them how to use the curves to their advantage in exchange.... do you need that with a TJ, no, but it is nice to know that you can set up the complete heli if you have to....
The original post was; Do I "need" a governor..... my answer was no, and that has worked for me on heli's now for 14 years.... and yes that is a lot of time to learn how to work those pesky curves!!!!

Thanks, Stan

If there is a cure for this, please don't tell me about it!!!
11-09-2005 Over year old.
 
 
dgshaffer
Elite Veteran
Location: New Jersey

I love this. I started a thread about the use, or lack thereof, of govenors on a heli a while back. A lot of the guys thought that I was trying to say that because I hadn't been running one that I considered myself superior. That wasn't the point at all but didn't stop people from jumping to that conclusion.

I left them out of my helis for the entire summer. It taught me quite a bit about how to tune an engine and how to get the most out of a throttle and pitch curve combination. As well as how to manage my collective more efficiently. It definately made me a better all around pilot than I was.

Having said that, I'm just now putting my GV-1's back in my ships. But when I program the radio I'm sure to set it up so that I have the ability to switch it off as I please.
11-09-2005 Over year old.
 
 
BARTGALAMBOS
Veteran
Location: Huntsville, Alabama! U. S. A.

I use the GV-1 Governor in all my ships!

Bart--Goodluck!

Precious Metal Investor!!!
11-09-2005 Over year old.
 
 
Learn to Fly
Key Veteran
Location: Yalesville Connecticut

I am new so bear with me. I had my heli for about 3 months now. I had it in normal mode, until this weekend, mostly due to the fact of not knowing how to set it up, and I did not want Idle ups when I was learning cause I would have hit them and try to do dumb stuff that my abbilities could not handle.

So we set up the curves, and when it was inverted and came out of it the motor would over rev. So my trusty mentor(Mr. doorman) hit a few buttons and smoothed out the curve so when we did the same manuver it stayed at a consatant RPM, and stayed that way after putting it through the paces.

I was inquiring about a govener that day, cause one of the guys had one. But after talking with the crew I think its a nice option but also not nessesary. After seeing like 10 helis without it and seeing what those helis did without it, I dont need it yet, or maybe never need one.

Just my exp so far. thanks Jeff


Jeff
Believe nothing you hear, and half of what you see...
11-09-2005 Over year old.
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dpope49
Heliman
Location: Luverne, Alabama

I am a post beginner pilot. Forward flight and that's about it.
I am pretty good at setting up curves, however, I flew about a year with no governor but after installing a Revlock - I will not fly again without a governor. Everything is just much smoother !
11-10-2005 Over year old.
 
 
flyingquisinart
Senior Heliman
Location: Detroit Area

Setting RPM with governer

Now that I know I don't necessarily need one,

Are there any models that let you program in a specific RPM without the need for a tach? For example, I would program in the number of teeth of the pinion and of the main gear to get a value. This way I can calculate the RPM of the rotor vs the engine.

I figure if there is one that does this, it works as both a tach and gov, and would save me the cost of buying both.

Thanks

This is a great forum!

must have been a downdraft
11-10-2005 Over year old.
 
 
ESWLFSE
Elite Veteran
Location: Bradenton, FL USA

Thats a big part of the reason I bought one too. No need for a tach! They all do this. Just calculate the target RPM based on your gear ratio and desired headspeed and program it in.
11-10-2005 Over year old.
 
 
dgshaffer
Elite Veteran
Location: New Jersey

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Are there any models that let you program in a specific RPM without the need for a tach? For example, I would program in the number of teeth of the pinion and of the main gear to get a value.


That's exactly how you set the Futaba GV-1. I set it at 1850 and it tachs at 1850.

Program in the gear ratio and set the head speed you want. That is what you get. On my 9303 I have the AUX 4 output on the receiver programmed through the 3-way AUX 2 switch. 0= off (1000), 1= 1750, 2= 1850. Any flight mode I'm in I can have either head speed or turn it off completely. Simple and dependable.

Assuming I clamped off my YS vent line that is
11-10-2005 Over year old.
 
 
ESWLFSE
Elite Veteran
Location: Bradenton, FL USA

Yup I use the 3-position switch on my 9303 too and it works great!
11-10-2005 Over year old.
 
 
ManuelCJr1
Senior Heliman
Location: Sun City, Arizona

a hobbico digital mini tach is an alternative to the more expensive optical tachs. I think they are around 23 bucks
11-16-2005 Over year old.
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Billy Zimmerman
Key Veteran
Location: Rainier Oregon

using curves on my Tiger 50, works fine for me, just have to manage the collective a little more

Raptor 90 SE YS91,Tiger50 OS50 Hyper, Vblades, OS&YS engines, Hitec Eclipse7
11-19-2005 Over year old.
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raptor90sepilot
Senior Heliman
Location: why do you need to know

govs. are just another thing to fail
11-19-2005 Over year old.
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ManuelCJr1
Senior Heliman
Location: Sun City, Arizona

It is another thing to fail but I think they make the heli really smooth. Hover to 3d. Or maybe i'm lazy about doing throttle curve to pitch curve set ups
11-20-2005 Over year old.
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