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Fast Lad Performance . Ace Hobby . Esprit Model

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Got Jet Fuel? Turbine Helicopters > another NOTAR fuse on the way
 
 
SemiArticulate
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What are you using the STL for? Just a small model of a mock up or the final mold? Who is doing the STL work? They tend to have small print area to produce a model of that size. How do the viscous forces determine if the Coanda effect is necessary or not?
Thanks.
09-02-2002 Over year old.
 
 
md600n
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I am not currently using STL though have in the past. The working area is roughly a cubic foot - so yes, only relatively small objects may be modeled.

The Coanda effect will have an 'effect' to whatever degree certainly even at scale. For simplicity of the model project, I have decided not to replicate the fore/aft horizontal slots on the tailboom as found on the 1:1 machine. I hope this answers the question.
09-02-2002 Over year old.
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md600n
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In a nutshell, the use of the Coanda effect as applied to the NOTAR concept for a full scale machine is described below...

The Coanda effect is the tendency of a fluid jet to adhere to a solid wall even when the wall curves away from the jet's direction. The downwash from the main rotor follows the curve of the tailboom much like the airflow over a wing, producing 'lift' sideways.

As usual, it's not as simple as that. The boom is pressurised internally by a variable-pitch fan at the fuselage end. Pressure is low at about 2 psi, but volume is high and the fan, rotating at 5,399 rpm, needs to shift 460 cubic feet of air per second at times of peak demand. Doing this can soak up 200 hp, so there's no great power-saving over a tailrotor.

There are eight horizontal slots in the right side of the boom, in two rows, one in the middle of the boom, one almost underneath. The air directed downwards by these slots mixes with the downwash, accelerating it and creating low pressure on the right side, providing the lateral lift vector to counter torque. The more the downwash, the greater the 'lift'. There's a baffle along the left side to discourage a similar effect there.

All of which would be tough to model in 72 inches of fuselage.
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SemiArticulate
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I agree it is simpler not to use it. Vario didn't. I thought you had a calculation that justified its use or not because you mentioned the reynolds number.
"There are slots in the tailboom of the full scale ship to make this happen. In a model, the Reynolds number would indicate this is not necessary. "
As if it was based on the type of force (viscous vs inertial) that dominate. I did not see how that would be the case. I would think that flight characteristics would decide if you needed the slots or not if you were doing heavy R&D on this thing. Which I think your approach to ignore it is better and less time and $$$. But that may also be why it will be harder to get your fan design to work right as Joe suggested. In the full scale, the coanda effect eliminates the need for a tail rotor and the jet thruster at the end of the boom is used for the fine control. Your design as well as the Vario design use the jet thruster for ALL of the torque control and thus need a stronger flow at even low RPM. Hurry up and get it flying, I want to see a Turbine Notar fly.
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md600n
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You and me both!

I love math. Just not THAT much.
09-03-2002 Over year old.
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