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Aerobatic FAI F3C Contest > F3C WC - Lessons from Zamora?
 
 
Wayne Mann
Senior Heliman
Location: United States of America

Before everybody gets the opinion that we had a miserable time in Spain, let me assure you that we didn't. Spain was beautiful and the Villa that we stayed in which was like a bed and breakfast was also beautiful. It was next to a rather large river and the views were unreal. If we had been there on vacation alone it would have been a wonderful trip.

The main problem was that this area is basically desert. If I went somewhere here in the US to an event and we were going to have to fly under similar conditions with all the dust and dirt, I wouldn't even get my machines out of the crates. I would just say thank you very much, have a nice time and I would be headed home pronto. It will take me weeks to tear all of my machines apart to replace all the bearings that are now full of very fine dust.

Like Gordie said. It is impossible to build multiple machines for F3C and have them fly exactly alike. Curtis can't do it, I have not been able to do it and I don't know of anyone else that can build two models and get them to fly exactly the same. Strangely you always seem to pick the model that hovers the best. The model that Curits flew at the Worlds had nowhere near the HP of his back up model, but it hovered much better in the wind. Next year with the absence of "K" factors in a hover he would probably choose the model that flys the best upstairs just as I would.

Years ago I was able to get three models to fly on the same program and they flew virtually identical, but the models were mechanical mixing, the servos weren't that good relatively speaking and the mechanics had lots of slop relative to the stuff we fly today. With more precise equipment the tolerances to keep two or more machines exactly the same become extremely tight. CCPM or ECCPM as some like to call it only complicates these problems. With electric motors where you can control the HP from one engine to the next and be able to control the head speed from one model to the next a lot more precisely it would be a lot easier. Controling the head speed upstairs is the toughest thing for me as my set up requires 2000rpm or more to be precise. I think I had maybe two rounds in Spain where the engine ran to near perfection up stairs. The second round of "B" Schedule was one of those rounds. The aerobatics were big and very graceful. The third round of "B" Schedule which was flown on the next day was a little different. My flight was in the middle of the day, it was hotter than hell which made me very nervous about the high speed needle setting. So in an effort to error on the side of caution, remember what happened in round one of "B" Schedule, I decided to richen the high speed needle ONE click. That one click differnece from the day before made the engine too rich up stairs which made it a real struggle to precisely get through the aerobatics.

Competing at this level in F3C is just like competing in Nextel Cup Racing. It's not just about the pilot or driver. The equipment has to be set up to near perfection and it has to run to near perfection to win.


Wayne
08-22-2005 Over year old.
 
 
ErichF
Key Veteran
Location: Odessa, FL 33556 (Tampa Area)

Wow, guys...this is some good insight, as I'm trying to plan a contest here in Tampa, FL. I got good help: Rolando P. and Nob M.

Wayne, have you flown much in Colorado? The conditions you describe in Zamora are also in Colorado in the summer time. Hot as hell, dry, and high (5500ft where I was). I know what you mean about needle settings, and two needle carbs do have a hard time running right in all regimes.

We're thinking of putting on a contest here in Feb or so. Maybe we can show you a good contest


Cheers,

Erich
08-22-2005 Over year old.
 
 
GM1
Elite Veteran
Location: Tallahassee, Florida US

Lubbock

I remember flying the 94(?) NATS in Lubbick Tx, 3000 ft, 20 mph wind from 8:00AM to 8:00PM, and 95 degrees. My poor old OS 61 SFN could barely hover the model and if you leaned it out ANY to get some power, it would overheat and quit. Fortunately, I was in Class II that year and didn't need a lot of horsepower. I won that year, so it's memorable to me.
Gordie

On a dog sled team, if you're not the lead dog, the view never changes.
08-22-2005 Over year old.
 
 
Wayne Mann
Senior Heliman
Location: United States of America

Hi Henrik. Yes I remember you and your wife. I talked to your wife quite a bit in the food area one day. She seemed so happy to see some more Americans.

Keep Practicing and maybe we will see you in Poland next time.

Hi Erich. No I haven't flown in Colorado, but I did fly in South America years ago at over 8000 feet. Boy did that suck. I didn't have nearly the problems with needles back then though as we were using 60 size engines which don't have near the cooling problems that 90's do.

A contest in Feburary sounds good to me.


Wayne
08-22-2005 Over year old.
 
 
vagpas
Senior Heliman
Location: Thessaloniki-Greece

"They are suppose to start your ready box time in "A" Schedule during the third from the last aerobatic maneuver, but they would try to put you on the clock as soon as the pilot flying left hovering to go upstairs. "

Hello Wayne

The 2005 regulations state that the officials give the signal to start your engine aftrer 6 minutes are completed of the previous competitor time. The "third from last" case you mention is for the guy at the start box to have his model grounded and idling.

Evangelos
08-22-2005 Over year old.
 
 
vertolfan
Senior Heliman
Location: Bloomington, Illinois

Hey Wayne I got a question.. what were the ratio of Slyphides to Calibers to Eagles there? I heard the JR machine was the most popular but yet no JR factory representation there for support?
08-22-2005 Over year old.
 
 
Secret Squirrel
Key Veteran
Location: New Zealander living in Melbourne, Australia

Certainly by my count, Sylphides seemed to be the most popular, follwed by either Eagles or Calibers.

Hirobo had organised a seperate Hirobo practise field for invited Hirobo pilots and had vans running round with spares. Kyosho had a guy running round in a van helping out any Caliber flyer no matter how far down the list they were.
I certainly didn't see anyone from JR doing anything like that. Perhaps the guys further up the list than me, but I spoke to Len Sabato about it and I'm pretty sure he didn't know who, or even if, there was any JR support around.

Si

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Simon Lockington
08-22-2005 Over year old.
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Chopper
Key Veteran
Location: Stow,Oh- oops, I mean St Louis, nope Stow again

Hi Gordie. I think the winds were more like 25 to 30 mph that year. It sure made for some interesting autos!!!!!

Paul
08-23-2005 Over year old.
 
 
GM1
Elite Veteran
Location: Tallahassee, Florida US

LOL

As I recall, in Lubbock, Cliff boomstruck his Windstar trying to stretch an auto to reach the box. Those were the days. Did you ever get repaid for the money you loaned at the club?
Gordie

On a dog sled team, if you're not the lead dog, the view never changes.
08-23-2005 Over year old.
 
 
Jan Thore
Senior Heliman
Location: Bergen, Norway

The European distributer AKMod was there to support the JR pilots.

He was there as member of the Swiss team.

We had some issues and he helped us out.
08-24-2005 Over year old.
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Four Stroker
Veteran
Location: Atlanta

Futaba 9255 Servos

Were any of you guys using these new "non-jumpy" servos ? I accidentally got some non-jumpy prototype 9250's from Tower long ago. They were a lot like the 9202's on the bench except for the humming.
08-24-2005 Over year old.
 
 
GM1
Elite Veteran
Location: Tallahassee, Florida US

Yup

I know Wayne was using them in his Caliber.

On a dog sled team, if you're not the lead dog, the view never changes.
08-24-2005 Over year old.
 
 
Dr.Ben
Elite Veteran
Location: Richmond, VA, USA

Me too.

A lot of us mere mortal FAI pilots flew them all season. The 9255's are really quite excellent.

Ben Minor
08-24-2005 Over year old.
 
 
Chopper
Key Veteran
Location: Stow,Oh- oops, I mean St Louis, nope Stow again

Gordie.......c'mon now. Did I ever get re-payed...no. Sure did have fun though....
08-24-2005 Over year old.
 
 
yapjy
Key Veteran
Location: Singapore

Fuel?

What is the type of fuel provided at Zamora?
08-25-2005 Over year old.
 
 
yapjy
Key Veteran
Location: Singapore

I spoke to one of the guys that went Zamora.

Yup, the food provided can be better.

After listening from his experience there, I thought, hey...why not form some sort of "alliance" between teams so that we stay in the same hotel and help each other. The reason is that at Zamora, the teams/competitors were really left on there own to sort things out as the instructions from the organisers were poor.

09-03-2005 Over year old.
 
 
Obiwan
Veteran
Location: Sevilla, Spain

..

Best way to predict the future, is to Invent it.

FORMERLY KNOWN AS ForrestGump
09-06-2005 Over year old.
 
 
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