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Century Hawk - Falcon - Raven - Predator > Problem with Autorotation Clutch
 
 
Isaac F
Key Veteran
Location: Panama Republic of Panama

I read this on the Main Discussion Forum
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I have a new Raven SE that was on its 5th tank of fuel when the tail "twitched" while in knife edge flight. I instinctively went to throttle hold, and when I did the engine died. This would normally not be a problem except the blade RPM dropped to about 200 RPM and after 2 attempts to dive and build rotor speed I ran out of elevation. After taking the machine apart I found that the autorotation clutch was broken and jammed on the main shaft.

Has any of you Falcon/Raven & Hawk has problem with the autorotation clutch???

Maybe this guy was bad luck and get a bad one
08-20-2002 Over year old.
 
 
ltaustin1e5
Senior Heliman
Location: EVANSVILLE, IN

auto bearing

After doing many autos and aborted autos I could hear a clicking or popping sound after I went from throttle hold to norm. mode. I took the main gear out and checked the auto gear and found that the auto gear had a hairline crack . I guess this crack was caused by aborting autos with to much throttle.
08-20-2002 Over year old.
 
 
ltaustin1e5
Senior Heliman
Location: EVANSVILLE, IN

Do I think there is a problem with the auto bearing?
NO WAY
My heli was used and abused; hot starts,crashes, bad autos,high head speed and my heli held together. I did have to replace the auto gear [refer to my previous post]. All of my misfortunes were caused by my dumb thumbs or over confidence.
I can't wait for my new Raven 46 to arrive.
08-20-2002 Over year old.
 
 
Syclic
Senior Heliman
Location: Northern Hemisphere

Auto clutch

After literally 1000's of autos over the past few years on my Hawks and Falcons I have yet to have a bad auto bearing. That being said, A friend had a bad bearing on one many years ago (a Hawk II he baught used) and I have had a bad one on a Shuttle (cracked case), and have had a couple bad ones lock-up on X-Cells.

Note: the symptoms are different. If one has a cracked outer case, then when or if the engine dies it will disengage normally and one will be able to auto, but when one would throttle up, the engine would overspeed. This is because clutch's torrington bearings would not be able to fully lock down. This was the case with my Schuttle and my
friends Hawk II (he had bought it used so I cannot say how well or hard it had been treated) .

On the other hand, as in my X-Cells, if the torrington carriers lock up and the engine quit then it would react just as a heli that does not have an auto clutch. The head speed would decay instantly and one would not be able to auto. If one would keep the power on all flight long, one would complete the flight and never know that the bearing had locked up until he would try to spin the head freely after the flight or until he tried to auto. Fortunately both of these were caught after landing and shutting down the engine. When an auto bearing locks up, one would not even know it and could easily complete the whole flight as long as the engine kept running.

A number of things can cause this. In the case of a heli with a slipper clutch, if the slipper loosened off too much (e.g. if the locking allen screw was not secured properly) this would allow the top securing bushing to rise allowing the auto bearings to slip upward and possibly jam.

If something would try to stop the mainshaft or maingear from turning while under power (e.g. in flight this could be caused by a bad bearing hanging up in the primary drive train) - this would overload the torrington bearings and lock them up. This type of overloading is similar to that experienced when practicing aborted autos by jaming the power on after the blade has slowed down substantially, made even more critical with the type of high power engines we are using today.This is what was causing my X-Cell auto bearings to lock up.

I am sure with a little more time I could think of other things that can cause it.
08-21-2002 Over year old.
 
 
hoh
Heliman
Location: Viva Las Vegas

Never have problem. I abuse my Falcon.... You can ask people in Las Vegas Field
I really abuse this bird. Crashed.... Drag racing.... Auto.... It still works well. This is the most reliable part from any Helicopter. I never replace any autorotation Bearing, except one to my shuttle. But that was my fault because when I crashed, I took it apart on the field where the dirt went into. So it was my fault.
For that guy... Hmmm.. we're sitting here behind the computer. You don't really know what he did to it before he crashed. Do we?????
08-21-2002 Over year old.
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pkcc
Heliman
Location: CA USA

Never have any problem for autorotation, I have many crashs even VERY BAD crash, a lot other parts have to replace but the autorotation clutch.
I do agree hoh, We don't know what he did to it before crashed.
08-21-2002 Over year old.
 
 
Century Heli
Senior Heliman
Location: CA. USA

Some guys wish a FREE helicopter?
I did my falcon many of autos, I have yet to have a bad autorotation bearing. If you open a Hirobo Eagle EX (my 2 years old model) you will found they have same auto bearing like Falcon SE, Same B.B company, same parts number, My question is how is posiable happen to a lighter load helicopter and heavier Eagle will not have this problem?

office
08-22-2002 Over year old.
 
 
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