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e-E-Flite Blade CP CX 400-3D > NEED HELP with the Blade CP.... please
 
 
pyrographix
Heliman
Location: the Nasty 'Nati

Having problem with my Blade...
It has a lot of vibration to it.... when I start it... it shakes violently.....
I have checked the main shaft and re-placed it last night.... I have TRIED to track the blades.... I am new to this, and want to learn.... the book doesn't really help a beginner.... I don't think this had helped, still shakes.
Please let me know what is wrong with it.... would like to fly today....

Any tricks on how to track the blades? any help will be appreciated.

Thanks in advance for the help with this subject......

www.PYROGRAPHIX.net
06-19-2005 Over year old.
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SkidBreaker
Heliman
Location: Asheville, NC

Sounds like your blades are unbalanced. Have they taken any hits / any chips missing etc? I usually do a quick tracking check by bringing it up to a hover and eyeballing the alignment. With the power disconnected, if they're out of track, you can usually just sight down the blades from the tips and actually see that they have different pitches in relation to the swashplate. Then just pop the pitch adjusting link off and shorten or lengthen by a half turn the one that is most out of adjustment. The blades should be parallel to the swashplate or maybe with just a little positive pitch if you're not using idle up. I'm a relative noob myself so take my advice for what it may be worth which isn't much!
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pyrographix
Heliman
Location: the Nasty 'Nati

Great!
I will try this right away....
How do I check to see if the blades are out of balence?

I have recently changed a blade on the one side.... basically both are blades are from seperate packages.... any chance this has something to do with it?

How do I balence the blades?

Thanks again.... I will take ALL of the info that someone has to give on any subject.... NONE is worthless.....

I have fixed the CP problem but have not been able to fly since the last mistake.

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BunnMan
Heliman
Location: Pasadena, Maryland

quick easy blade balancing act

There are better and more thourough ways to balance your blades but this one seems effective for me. I am a noob also. This can be done with minimal specialty tools.

1) Grab a razor blade in a vice with the blade up and level to the eye.

2) Lay one heli blade across (perpendicular to) the razor blade to find it's lenthgwise CG. You'll move the blade in or out on the razor blade until it balances. Once you get it to balance grab a sharpie and put the tip of the marker on the razor blade just in front of the LE (leading edge) of the heli blade. Slide the sharpie along the razor blade edge until it bumps into the LE of the heli blade marking the CG on it.

3) Do the same with the other blade but this time mark the TE (trailing edge). Lay the blades next to each other with your marks facing in on the workbench with the hubs/mounting ends even. I use the wall my bench sits against to make sure they're both even. See how close the CG's are. If they are even, praise God, thank the manufacturer, and proceed to step 5. If not continue to step 4.

4) If the CG's are not even when the hubs are even wrap a piece of tape around the end of the blade that has it's CG marked closest to the hub, this will move the CG outboard (further down the blade). Re-balance and re-check CG against the other blade. If the tape overcorrected peel it off and move it inboard a little to compensate. Do this until you get the CG's as close as possible.

5) Now you have to weigh the blades and you need to use as accurate a scale as possible. I use a simple pendulum style postal scale left over from another hobby of my youth. If they aren't the same weight wrap a piece of tape around the marked CG of the light blade to compensate, this will even the weight without moving the CG. Add or remove tape to get the weights as close as possible,

There you have it! A balanced set of blades! I have done this to every set of new blades (I'm a newbie so I've been through a few) I had used and found them all to need at least a little adjustment. This procedure has virtually eliminated the vibration of my BCP. Even the ping pong balls on the ends of my training gear stay pretty solid not shaking more than 1/4" or so at the worst. You'll want to run through this procedure again if you get any dings/strikes or if your tracking goes way out for some reason. Make sure to track before flying after you go through the balancing. This way is pretty quick and easy. Like I said before I know there are more elaborate and exhaustive ways to reach a more precise balance for RC heli blades, I've read them. If I had a larger ship I'd get the tools and do it like the pros do but this little method seems adequate for the Blade CP.

God bless,

-BunnMan
06-19-2005 Over year old.
 
 
pyrographix
Heliman
Location: the Nasty 'Nati

What kind of tape do you recommend for weight and to fix dings?

I have been using clear light weight box tape...

Thanks for the help... I will try to balence and then I will post the status....

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06-19-2005 Over year old.
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wire monkey
Heliman
Location: da UP of MI

a hobby from your youth... har!
06-19-2005 Over year old.
 
 
BunnMan
Heliman
Location: Pasadena, Maryland

tape preferrence

I have been using black electrical tape for blade balancing. Haven't tried tape to fix dings, a little scared to since most of my flying (all of my successful flying) is hovering in my living room.

God bless,

-BunnMan
06-19-2005 Over year old.
 
 
ImRich
Veteran
Location: Derry, NH USA

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basically both are blades are from seperate packages.... any chance this has something to do with it?


This may be your problem!

Always change the blades in pairs. I checked a couple on my scale and the blades from the same package are close in weight to each other. However blades from separate packages are not close in weight to each other.

It also could be your blade tracking or a bend main shaft if you have had a blade strike anything while it's moving. The main shaft can bend pretty easy.

So the things to check:

1) You have two blades that are balanced with each other (always change blades in pairs until you understand how to balance them yourself).

2) Be sure your blades are in 'track'. The manual explains how to do this.

3) Be sure your main shaft is not bent. If you spin up the heli and can see the top of head wobbling, then this is probably the culprit, but you must check #1 and #2 first.

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Rich
06-19-2005 Over year old.
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pyrographix
Heliman
Location: the Nasty 'Nati

Thanks for the help....
Seem to be the blades were the problem.....
Changed to a new set of blades and the problem went away....
The blades are tarcking perfectly.... the Heli doesn't shack at all...

So.... I have learned that the rotaors MUST be changed as a pair.... cant change as I break.................
Very different than a 1/8th sclae buggy..... or any other surface vehicle for that matter............
All I know is that I am hooked.... I am determined to know and learn this Heli, and will master the skill involved in flying it..............

I didnt buy the Heli as a overnight success..... I will get it one of these dayz...... almost have a steady hover......

Thanks again guyz for the help......

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06-20-2005 Over year old.
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