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e-E-Flite Blade CP CX 400-3D > Blade CP+
 
 
mikemisty
Heliman
Location: Whitsett N.C Gilford Co

Ok i wanna hear the bad stuff about this new heli .
06-07-2005 04:08 AM
 
 
Hoverup
Elite Veteran
Location: Gulf Coast

Worst thing I have heard is that it is OOS everywhere





Cheers - Boyd
AMA80393
Major USAF
Retired
06-07-2005 04:50 AM
 
 
midwestpilot
Elite Veteran
Location: Crystal Lake, IL

so far...

I have only seen on RR some people having different types of problems here and there...nothing seems to be consistant...ie there does not seem to be one underlying problem. Mine has been fine..a little squirely...but fine. I don't have that many flights on it yet though...

I don't mind if there are problems...the true test comes with how well horizon stands up to them...great customer service will make up for a lot of production sins.

In life there is no spacebar!

Rich Erikson AMA 6175
06-07-2005 01:59 PM
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flybarless
Key Veteran
Location: Torrington, CT

The biggest problem I have seen so far is just a general lack of knowledge about micro helis.
Having several glow and several electrics, in a variety of sizes. I have found while the basics are the same, there are just enough little things to look out for to make it interesting.
Faster head speeds amplifies areas of poor alignment or fit.
With our larger glow machines, with tons of power and servo torque, we usually just muscle through the little things. The micro electrics don't muscle well, they need to be pampered a bit.
Anything ARF can only be so close, tweak them and they fly great.
Thats my opinion anyway.

Just remember -- if the world didn't suck, we would fall off.
06-07-2005 03:07 PM
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mikemisty
Heliman
Location: Whitsett N.C Gilford Co

Well ive read about every post on RR about this heli ..When i went to my LHS last week they had one an thats what cought my interest ..For $209 plus tax for everything i had doughts so ofcourse i come to RR to find out about it . Seems people seem to like it so i went back to LHS today just my luck none left . I put one on order hope to be flying it next week .

Thanks for your replys
Mike
06-07-2005 05:59 PM
 
 
rcadd1ct
Elite Veteran
Location: Richardson, Texas

I thnk the worst part about it is the TX.

It has a really stiff ratchet on the throttle and the idle up switch is where the throttle hold switch is supposed to go.

I already hit "throttle hold" by accident once. Dem thing taught me a lesson....blades whacked me in the nose!

Ouch!

Didn't leave a mark on me, nor the heli.

-RCA .......... Making Cuisinarts Fly!!!!!!!
06-07-2005 11:14 PM
 
 
swattley
Veteran
Location: West Milford NJ

i am going to try and run one off my 9chp transmitter.
06-07-2005 11:27 PM
 
 
bones99
Heliman
Location: Lillian, Al. USA

Blade CP

Hi,
I bought 2 at Hobbytown USA in Mobile, Al. on Sunday. They had 2 left.
Thanks,
Bob
06-07-2005 11:55 PM
 
 
Jason Merkle
Senior Heliman
Location: Champaign, IL

RCA -

As noted here and on other forums, you can reduce the amount of ratchet in the Tx to your personal liking in just as few minutes. Yes, we are aware of heli pilots' (Ive been flying helis for almost 7 yesr myself) preference for a smooth to non-existent ratchet...it is however difficult sometimes to explain that to those overseas who might not understand I can tell you that this is being corrected for future shipments.

Regarding the Tx itself, it works incredibly well considering the price. Once used to the Idle Up switch location, I had no troubles putting the heli through its paces with the stock Tx. You may gain some adjustability with a higher end computer radio, but the stock Tx is more than adequate to get the job done (even if flying aerobatics).

So far, feedback on the Blade CP has been fantastic. Statements like "Its the best micro heli Ive flown!" and "Incredible bang for the buck" are only a sample of the things guys are saying about this machine. Many shops are bummed that they didnt order more after seeing just how well the demo units (and the units they sold too) flew.

The good news is that more BCPs arrived today and will be shipped tomorrow. Make sure your shop has one (as well as parts) on order for you

Jason Merkle
E-flite Product Manager
Horizon Hobby
http://www.horizonhobby.com
06-08-2005 12:05 AM
 
 
rcadd1ct
Elite Veteran
Location: Richardson, Texas

I guess I did not fully convey my thoughts.

I think the BCP is a good value and flies well with the provided TX.

The TX is, IMHO, the only de-tractor for me. Yes, it works resonably well, but it still is a de-tractor for the overall experience of the heli.

It was a given, that I will mod the TX to make it what I like. I worked on my 9C, there is no stopping me from messing with this one.

I smooth the ratchet bumps then notch center stick so it is easy to find 0 pitch in idle up.

It also makes setup easy and repeatable as center stick is easy to find.

-RCA .......... Making Cuisinarts Fly!!!!!!!
06-08-2005 01:33 AM
 
 
alvinrc
Veteran
Location: Mobile, AL, USA

Quote 
Hi, I bought 2 at Hobbytown USA in Mobile, Al. on Sunday. They had 2 left.


Those two were gone today.
I got to look over their demo model and even got to fly it some after begging the trans away from the shop kids.
Seems to fly OK and functions as advertized right out of box with everything ready to go.
They had already fixed the throttle/collective ratchet with a piece of fuel tubeing over the ratchet lever inside trans.

A friend or two have bought them and will give the acid test I am sure.

For the money, seems like lot of fun.

Looks like a mini raptor 30 head on it.
06-08-2005 03:21 AM
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mikemisty
Heliman
Location: Whitsett N.C Gilford Co

From what i see .... Theres not alot bad to say about this heli . Maybe other companys will take notes . Hope some more mods come out for it i might get bored if i dont have to tinker on it
06-08-2005 03:40 AM
 
 
All or Nothing
Senior Heliman
Location: Feeding Hills, Massachusetts

Yup! This one works!

I have wanted a micro heli for a long time now. I have three nitros that are really fun and I have tried 4 micro electrics with no luck. The T-Rex 450 was the last electric I tried and the ball links were so tight, that it would crash as soon as it lifted. I was disgusted with micro electrics. Then, I saw the Blade CP fly last weekend at a funfly in Wrentham, Mass. Out of the box, this thing flew as good as the nitros (For a small bird) You wouldn't believe your eyes. It was fast, smooth, handled like a heli should and landed soft. I went out and bought one. My hobby guy had four or five on Sunday, so I took one. NO REGRETS!!! Very fun!! I recommend this one for sure! The throttle on the radio is the only thing that needs to be improved with the wratchet effect on the stick. I like a smooth stick on the throttle. Full throttle trim will make this thing scream. Half throttle trim will keep it easier to fly. Have fun with it!!

Here for a good time, not a long time!
06-08-2005 10:52 AM
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mikemisty
Heliman
Location: Whitsett N.C Gilford Co

WoooooooHooooooo my LHS called an said they got some in .Chargeing the battery now ,I bought the enhancemant kit to cant wait to put this thing in the air .. Also if anyone is looking for a Blade CP ....KC Hobbys in HighPoint NC has about 15 instock Price is $209 plus tax

Thanks for your input guys i'll let you know how it flys
06-08-2005 11:39 PM
 
 
mikemisty
Heliman
Location: Whitsett N.C Gilford Co

Ok with battery charged . i plug it in check everything dont know if i was lucky or what but didnt have to change a thing .So i throttle up .. the bird lifts off the ground hovered in one spot like its on a string WOW so i took it in FF an it did great . All factory setup ..... Id have to give this one a A+ and a great little micro for biggeners .... Im very happy with this one .....great job E Flite
06-09-2005 12:31 AM
 
 
wire monkey
Heliman
Location: da UP of MI

well, my LHS and Horizonhobby made everything better today. i brought it in to the LHS with the tail motor that blew out on me after 10 minutes of not-flight. we called horizonhobby. they said to swap my tail motor with their display model and they'd sent my LHS three new N30 motors for his trouble, just so i could get my heli in the air today. i'm pretty impressed. not a lot of companies do ANYTHING like that for their customers these days.
anyway... i got the thing home and finally got it in the air tonight. fun! just trying to keep it a foot or two off the ground and not spinning out of control and smashing to pieces is way more fun than i thought it would be.

one tip for beginners like me:
i built my own training gear before seeing the ones horizonhobby sells. turns out mine are a little longer, but the principle still applies, i'm sure. flying over grass may seem like a good way to reduce the impact when you down too fast, but i've found flying over pavement to be WAY easier. when i hit the grass coming in at an angle, the heli would immediately flip over and damage something or other. when you come in fast onto pavement, the machine just slides across the surface. tomorrow i'm gonna find a big empty parking lot after work and get some serious training i, hopefully.

BTW, thanks to everybody who posted tips on setting this thing up and tweaking to get it to run better. that stuff has all been invaluable to me, who has know bloody idea what he's doing, really.
06-09-2005 03:58 AM
 
 
ImRich
Veteran
Location: Derry, NH USA

I saw one of these Blade's and couldn't resist one, it's cute and well engineered.

I fly nitro and gas (LMH-100, R50V2 and X-Cell gasser). My flight skills are ok, I can roll, loop, flip, and hold inverted forward flight until I need to turn!

I've helped others learn to fly (I'm one of the instructors at my club) and help others to properly setup their heli.

My first impression on flying the Blade was, wow, this is going to be a handful for a beginner to learn on. Don't get me wrong, it flies nice! I can't compare it to other electric helis' as this is my first. But since it's so light, it not as stable as a larger heli. It sort of flits around in comparison.

As I thought about it more, I feel that most beginners have no hope in setting up any heli to fly easily. Most of the time they would have an easier learning to fly experience if the heli was setup correctly. They have a much easier time of learing after someone with some heli setup skills sets up their heli for a beginner to learn to fly. But then they get lost if the instructor is not around to help them to keep their glow engine properly tuned.

The Blade is setup to fly out of the box, so I feel that outweighs the setup issues of other helis. Also there is no fuel mixture nor programable radio to get lost in setting up pitch curves, throttle curves, etc. So that makes it much simpler to setup and adjust when needed.

That being said, I have mixed feelings about the blade as an entry level beginner's heli because of it's not as stable as a larger heli, but it is fun to fly! I feel if a beginner learns to fly a Blade, he can probably handle anything after he's learned to setup a fuel heli properly.

Here is my list of findings on the e-Flight Blade after having it for just one day:

    Positives
  • It does fly out of the box.
  • It withstands soft dumps into the ground with out harm. (Found out when the battery gets soft and you're not close to the ground).
  • The shipping box makes a great carrying case.


    Negatives:
  • It's not as stable as a beginner may need to stay out of trouble or not get too frustrated learning to hover.
  • Landing gear easily break if hit on the side. Buy a crash kit with your heli, don't wait!
  • There is no rev up/down adjustment, so getting the tail to hold out of a hover is a challenge for a beginner.
  • The collective/throttle control should be smooth not ratcheted!! It's an easy fix, take off the back of the case and flip over (top for bottom) the ratchet spring. This solves the problem perfectly.


    Wishes
  • A Heading Hold gyro without the weight penalty of doing it with separate components.
  • A brushless motor option along with the required controller.
  • The foam in the box should have extra cutouts to hold extra blades, and spare parts since the box makes a great carrying case.
  • Carbon blades. They will track better and hold tracking longer.
  • Rev up/down compensation. I suppose I'll have to try my 9C or 9Z on this heli to see if it can help. Heck, just give us a Heading Hold Gyro! How much more cost would it have been to have Heading Hold right from the start!


As to my 'wishes' list. Wouldn't it be great if e-Flight came up with an optional controller that had both a heading hold gyro and could run brushless motors? I like their integrated 4-in-1 design, it saves a lot of weight.

I'll form some more opinions from a rank beginner's perspective in a couple of days. One of my fixed wing students also purchased a Blade and he's going to try it out.

If you are a beginner, don't forget to purchase the 'training gear' (Part number EFLH1128). Unfortunately most hobby shops only seem to stock the Blade, the crash kit and the Aerobatic upgrade kit. It seems that Marketing forgot to tell them to order some Training gear sets right from the start.

As an experienced pilot, I was a little setback by purchasing the Blade with it's radio. I figured I would never use it so why waste money on it. This may be the case later, but for now the included transmitter is working well once the 'stick ratchet' is modified as I mentioned. Take note that the transmitter does have a charge jack as well as a socket for a training cord! Unfortunately the training cord seems to use an "S-Video" type of connector. If I get together with the student who purchased one of these, maybe I'll try out the training cord. Or perhaps I'll put together a diagram on how to make a Blade to Futaba or Blade to JR training cord.

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Rich
06-09-2005 06:08 PM
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lakespinner2
Veteran
Location: north carolina

Hi Rich,

Have u tried to flip your Blade inverted? I bought mine used last weekend and it wouldn't quite go over. I've since changed the pinion, blades, and ordered a smaller lipo battery so I'm hoping it'll flip soon.

And I agree about wanting a HH gyro. I've never flown without one. What a learning experience this is.

I'm finding that I need to fly with a tiny screwdriver in my pocket to adjust the mix pretty often. I even melted two tiny holes in the canopy for the screwdrivers so I wouldn't have to remove the canopy every time.

I'm spoiled, I've not had to do some much tweaking the mix, trimming the rudder and actually being forced to fly the tail before. This has got to be good practice. I told someone yesterday that there must have been dancing in the streets when HH gyros first came out.

thanks
06-10-2005 12:19 AM
 
 
Jason Merkle
Senior Heliman
Location: Champaign, IL

Rich -

The Blade CP is not advertised to be a first time heli (you wont find anything like that on the box, in the manual or in the ads) - it was intended for intermediate to experienced pilots just like yourself. That said, there is certainly no reason someone couldnt learn to fly helis with the BCP as long as they had the assistance of an experienced heli pilot and hopefully some sim time too. The fact that the model is RTF at such a great price has attracted quite a few new pilots to it though...many of which have indeed been very successful in a short amount of time. Again, that was not the intent of this machine but I certainly agree if a new pilot can fly the BCP they can likely handle a larger machine pretty darn well too

As mentioned in my other post, tail performance is simply the nature of the beast. Tail motor controlled models are always affected by the discharging power pack which will require a little more effort in trim or control during flight. The BCP tail does hold quite well for a model in this class and with some practice youll find its not bad at all. Like I also mentioned before, Ive been very spoiled by HH gyros too but after a few flights I really found the groove for the tail of this machine. We will certainly keep the HH option open for future models, though please understand the cost difference is quite a bit more than one might think at this point (that will likely change in time Im sure).

Ratchet on the throttle will definitely be corrected in future production models, and anyone who may prefer a smoother action now shouldnt have too many problems adjusting the ratchet to fit their liking in just a few minutes.

Carbon blades will be available next month (photo up soon):

http://www.horizonhobby.com/Search/...c&OverallCatID=

They definitely do improve the performance of the collective and cyclic while maintaining more consistent tracking. Plus, they look very, very cool

We'll also keep the brushless option in mind for future models or BCP options. There are already a few BCPs being flown with brushless motors, though most are using "seperates" (some with HH gyros too) and their own transmitter. The Park 370 3600kv brushless motor (EFLM1010) with an 8T HPI Micro RS4 pinion (HPI72480), 10-25 amp ESC (Castle Creations Phoenix 10/25) and a 3S 860-900mAh LiPo pack is a great set up to add power and increase efficiency. As a note - do not exceed 2100-2200 RPM on the head of the BCP (ie - dont use higher kv motors like the 4100kv version) as higher headspeeds will cause the blade grips to stall. They do not have thrust bearings and perform best at 2100-2200 RPM max. For reference, the main gear has 140 teeth.


Thanks for the feedback...glad you are enjoying the model!

Jason Merkle
E-flite Product Development Manager
Horizon Hobby
http://www.horizonhobby.com
06-10-2005 05:20 AM
 
 
ImRich
Veteran
Location: Derry, NH USA

Hi Jason,

Thanks for your reply! It's nice to hear from a product manager directly. Feel free to contact me if you would like to discuss more about the Blade or future products. I work with product managers on a weekly basis so I understand your challenges!

I didn't mean my post to imply that Horizon was marketing this as a beginner's heli. But on the other hand, if you were marketing this to an experienced market, why include the transmitter and ready to fly state? (no need to answer that!)

Because the Blade is ready to fly out of the box (and truely does fly OOB) and includes everything one needs except for the 8 AA Alkaline transmitter batteies, the Blade does and will attract many new pilots to the ranks. So I thought I'd let people know what to expect as I'm already getting queries from people who have been interested in heli's for a while. The BCP sets a new 'honestly ready to fly' street price and it is drawing attention!

I wouldn't want to turn off a beginner to the wonderful world or heli flying because of a challenge so I would like people who may consider this their first training heli what to expect. Perhaps if I get some time I may be able to come up with some suggestions to make it more stable for a beginner, but with it's light weight, that may be difficult.

I'd love to see how the brushless, HH version ready to fly weight compares to the brushed unit with your ready to fly 4-in-1 reciever, gyro, dual ESC combo.

Do you have the details?

For example, what ESC are people using for the tail when using a brushless setup for the main? Has anyone found a brushless motor and ESC for the tail also which would not add too much of a weight penalty?

What HH gryo are they using? What's the lightest available with good performance for a micro electric tail controled heli?

I have a set of the carbon blades on order with my local shop. Thanks!

Lakespinner, I haven't had much time on my blade yet so I haven't even had the opportunity to try to roll it yet! At the end of the first day (the BCPs controlled the end of it's flying day, I didn't!), mine suffered the 'tail let go' issue that someone else mentioned. So I'm awaiting parts. I'm going to have to look into a way to be sure that rubber 'keeper' (aka: Fuel tubing) holds tail blade on. I like the idea that it can release and save the tail motor, tail blade so I don't want to comprimise that! I'm not completely sure, but I think the rubber tubing slipped a bit and the tail rotor started to free wheel. I'm not sure if it came completly off before it hit the ground. All I know is that all the parts were laying where the heli stopped, but at that time I couldn't locate the rubber keeper.

I was in idle up with it let go. I wasn't able to come down soft enough or shut off idle up before it hit the ground to minimize any damage. So I bent the main shaft, broke a landing gear, broke the carbon fiber tail rotor spindle, lost the tail rotor keeper (fuel tubing) and damaged my only set of symmetrical blades!! The local shops only carry the 'aerobatic upgrade kit' so I can't purchase symetrical blades without purchasing the full aerobatic upgrade kit yet. Right now I don't need another motor and heat sink set.

My fixed wing student who also purchased a BCP also commented on the tail rotor keeper. He said that the base kit should include a few extra of these! He also thought that the Crash Kit should certainly include a few more spares! Considering it includes a replacement tail blade, his comment was "why would they include a replacement tail blade and forget to include the keeper, that small bit of rubber tubing is impossible to find once it comes off!". He was grounded for a day until he could visit a local shop to find some miniature fuel tubing to act as a replacement even though he had purchased a 'crash kit'.

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Rich
06-10-2005 06:06 PM
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