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Aerobatic FAI F3C Contest > F3C basic settings
 
 
GM1
Elite Veteran
Location: Tallahassee, Florida US

eCCPM and the Futaba 14MZ

I now have quite a few flights on the revamped eCCPM program in my Stratus. After completely redoing the program on the 14MZ and installing 9255s, I am finding the model holds settings dramatically better than before with the 9252s. It is amazing to me that many of the trim "problems" I was having with the model just disappeared when I got the swashplate to sit still during cyclic applications. The collective/cyclic part never gave me much problem but I was having quite a bit of cyclic/collective interaction. The eCCPM program in the 14 MZ lets me take 99% of that out and it makes such a difference in the performance of the model. Rolls are cleaner, pulls are much more predictable, and the model just is easier to fly.
The 9255s seem to wear very uniformly, that is, centers and end points do not change much and the servo motor speeds do not vary much so the servos stay matched much better than on previous servos. It makes eCCPM pretty much doable for F3C, IMHO.
Gordie

On a dog sled team, if you're not the lead dog, the view never changes.
01-31-2006 Over year old.
 
 
Kinger
Elite Veteran
Location: Columbus, OH

Kind of off topic here, but do any of you that fly FAI practice on a simulator of any kind or do you find that it's really only beneficial to practice with the real thing? If you do practice on a sim, how do you go about setting up the map to make sure your hovering practice is worked on as well?

I must say, I have much respect for those of you who choose to fly this discipline. While everything looks easy on paper, it's a whole different ballgame when you actually get to a field and try some of this stuff.
01-31-2006 Over year old.
 
 
Henrik Engert
Key Veteran
Location: Cedar Park, TX

I find it very diffucult to practice with a simulator for F3C. At least with Reflex there is a problem with the viewport, which means I don't have the perpective as in the real world. Maybe ther is a way to set that up, but I don't know how.

I do however practice the flight manouvers a little bit in the simulator, I will have to see how that has worked out when I start the season soon.
01-31-2006 Over year old.
 
 
GM1
Elite Veteran
Location: Tallahassee, Florida US

Sim

Years ago, I tried to do some sim work for contest practice and found that there was nearly zero carryover to the real thing, so little in fact that I quit and never bothered after that. I use the sim now, if I am trying to learn some specific thing that might be dangerous or risky with a real model.
If I had only the sim to fly, I'd play the piano instead.
Gordie

On a dog sled team, if you're not the lead dog, the view never changes.
01-31-2006 Over year old.
 
 
Kinger
Elite Veteran
Location: Columbus, OH

Play the piano instead.....that's funny

I guess I was just curious about guys who fly FAI in climates that are not great year round. Sims are a great tool for learning 3D, but I was curious if it had benefits in FAI flying as well.
01-31-2006 Over year old.
 
 
Dwight
Senior Heliman
Location: West Chicago, IL

It does not help in the precision but it does help learning the general stick movement.

Dwight
01-31-2006 Over year old.
 
 
Jarno
Veteran
Location: Finland

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I guess I was just curious about guys who fly FAI in climates that are not great year round.


We have very long winter with plenty of snow in Finland. Everytime the temp gets warm enough to fly, then it's better to go do some real flying rather than do simulator practise. It's more or less struggle to fly in winter but it's well worth it.

Jarno
02-01-2006 Over year old.
HOMEPAGE  
 
 
GM1
Elite Veteran
Location: Tallahassee, Florida US

Scotty Gray

I have often wondered how Scott Gray keeps in practice over the winter in Canada. I have seen him show up in Florida in Feb and just fly the snot out of a model and while I'm sure he is not at his peak form, he surely does fly well.
Gosh, I wonder if talent has anything to do with it?
Gordie

On a dog sled team, if you're not the lead dog, the view never changes.
02-02-2006 Over year old.
 
 
Dwight
Senior Heliman
Location: West Chicago, IL

Gordie,

I have asked him this before and the answer is he does not practice.

Dwight
02-02-2006 Over year old.
 
 
GM1
Elite Veteran
Location: Tallahassee, Florida US

@#&^%!!

...... and I practice my butt off and he just kills me anyway. Getting old is a b!tch. Dwight, if you live long enough, you'll know how I feel. <g>
Gordie

On a dog sled team, if you're not the lead dog, the view never changes.
02-02-2006 Over year old.
 
 
Clearance
Veteran
Location: Left Coast Canada

I too am surprised at Scotty performance, since winters in Ontario are severe as compared to the left coast. I can fly year-round; he can't and I'm nowhere close to his ability. Phil Noel says that it's his natural talent!!

I still work on the Sim even after 23 years of active flying. Gotta learn those 24 basic orientations and react automatically.

Take care,

Ken
02-02-2006 Over year old.
 
 
Phaedrus
Senior Heliman
Location: South Orange County, California

Soaring has Daryl Perkins. NEVER practices. Goes out the day before a contest to see if his radio still works and then kicks butt. It's just not right.

BTW - he is a 4 time World F3B champion. That was 4 times in a ROW!!! he has won the Worlds using a borrowed airplane with no set up flights. Amazing. Guys like he and Gray should have to fly blindfolded or something!!!



Reality is Subjective. At least that's what I think!!
02-02-2006 Over year old.
 
 
Dwight
Senior Heliman
Location: West Chicago, IL

Hey Gordie,

How long do I need to live then? I already have the same problems you have they are just at a slightly higher level. You could probably take a year off and come back only to finish in about the same spot because you have a learned ability that does not go away. Look at Cliff. He always does very well practice or not.

Dwight
02-02-2006 Over year old.
 
 
GM1
Elite Veteran
Location: Tallahassee, Florida US

First contest down

We finally got to fly the 2006 FAI schedules in competition. I was both surprised and pleased with the level of performance of the guys. I zeroed two maneuvers one for pirouetting in the wrong direction and the second for leaving the motor idling in an auto, both are things I would normally not do but the new stuff is not imprinted yet so it's not automatic. Hopefully, I can stop making those kind of mistakes and relax and just have fun.
Wayne, Dwight, Cliff, and Petter were doing very well so the rest of us have a way to go to catch up.
Gordie

On a dog sled team, if you're not the lead dog, the view never changes.
03-14-2006 Over year old.
 
 
GREYEAGLE
Veteran
Location: Sioux City IA

Bump for Carnal Knowledge

This post and it's contributions are real salt : Had to bring it to the top - Just to valuable !

Thanx Gordie for your contributions
07-09-2007 Over year old.
 
 
GM1
Elite Veteran
Location: Tallahassee, Florida US

Setup

I have finished the 2007 US Nationals, finished 4th in F3C, my best ever. I have switched my Stratus FAI to 140 CCPM and that has helped dramatically. Since we are switching to new schedule for 2008, I have flown B schedule for the last time and am switching to C schedule to get a head start for next year. Whew!
Gordie

On a dog sled team, if you're not the lead dog, the view never changes.
07-12-2007 Over year old.
 
 
Ace Dude
Elite Veteran
Location: USA

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I have finished the 2007 US Nationals, finished 4th in F3C, my best ever.

Congratulations, Gordie! Way to go!



07-13-2007 Over year old.
 
 
GM1
Elite Veteran
Location: Tallahassee, Florida US

LOL!!!!!

Scotty is Canadian so I would have been THIRD but neither Curtis nor Cliff were at the NATS due to limited vacation time and the need to travel to Poland for the WCs. Still, I feel pretty good about it. <VBG>
Gordie

On a dog sled team, if you're not the lead dog, the view never changes.
07-14-2007 Over year old.
 
 
w8qz
Veteran
Location: Walker, MI - USA

I re-read this thread, after seeing you and the others fly at the Nats - it takes some real skill to make precision flying (in that wind) look easy!


Never underestimate the power of very stupid people in large groups.
07-15-2007 Over year old.
 
 
GM1
Elite Veteran
Location: Tallahassee, Florida US

Amazing

I have always been in awe of the guys that could hover in the wind and make it look easy but did not realize how much model set up has to do with making that possible. However, even with a perfectly set up model, they still have a lot of talent and have done hours of practice to get to that point. I got lucky this year and had two windy months before the Nats so I had a lot of windy weather practice. It was a real help as the wind at the Nats this year was 8-15 nearly all the time.
I had completely redone the set up on my Stratus when I switched to 140 CCPM and decided to set the model up to hover in a moderate wind instead of dead calm. It requires a LOT more piloting to hover a model set up this way BUT when the wind does blow, it's a lot easier to hang on and get through all the maneuvers. If you looked at my head set up from last year and this year, you would notice a very dramatic change, less non-correcting delta, shorter flybar, different paddles, less flybar weight, stiffer damping, and a lot of other little minor things that made this model work better in the wind. In the DEAD calm, it's not as good but when have I EVER flown a contest in the dead calm?
I have already started working on C schedule for next year. It looks right now like it will take me a full year to get comfortable with the new maneuvers. Having done B for two years, some of the stuff that would be really scary is related to things we have already done so it's just a matter of getting through it enough times that it becomes automatic AND I don't have to do that @#$%^%$@!!! flipping pullback any more. The inside outside eight with full rolls is pretty scary though. If you pull too hard, the model comes down like an anvil and you run out of height before you finish the roll. I think I will practice that with my 3D model for a while since it rolls MUCH faster than my FAI models.
Gordie

On a dog sled team, if you're not the lead dog, the view never changes.
07-16-2007 Over year old.
 
 
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