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BladeRunner
Elite Veteran
Location: Ontario Canada. Member of "some sort" s

 Does Wildcat make a 15% heli fuel? I just picked up a gal. of 15% non heli, I wanted heli but the LHS says they "don't make a 15% heli-only 30%". Is this right? I thought I read somewhere that there is a 15% heli from Wildcat, if not, is there any real difference? . Can I use 15% for an OS 50, and a YS61 ST II? Thanks----Barry.
08-05-2001 Over year old.
 
 
Mark Ryder
Administrator
Location: Encino, CA

I burn Cool Power 15% green airplane fuel in my OS61WC all the time. I do miss out on a little extra power the 30% gives. I pay $14 gal for the green.
08-05-2001 Over year old.
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Dragon2115
Key Veteran
Location: New England

I have talked with Jerry Conley, President of Wildcat Fuels, and he says yes, they do make a 15% Heli fuel.

As for Cool Power, their "heli" fuel is a rip-off. There is no difference between CP15 airplane and CP15 heli, except for a dollar extra for the heli.

The YS will run fine on 15% but it will run really fine on 30%. My new YS61 ST2 is loving Wildcat 30% Heli. There's a big difference is smoke generated between CP30 and Wildcat 30. Run CP30 in a YS and it looks like it got hit with a missile whereas the Wildcat produces far less smoke and your neighbors will be a lot happier.

My friend gets his Wildcat fuel through a bulk buy with a few friends directly from Wildcat. The last time they bought 13 cases. When all was said and done it worked out to $18/gallon for 30% Heli fuel. That's not bad in my book. To buy a single case from Tower it worked out to over $35/gallon. Talk about a rip-off. Maybe you should see if you can get a few friends together and buy 13 cases at once. Thirteen is the magic number though. At this amount it ships motor frieght and there is no hazmat. The frieght charge for 13 cases is $100. If you order 14 the frieght charge jumps up and it isn't such a good deal. I don't know what amount you'd have to buy to get the per gallon price back down again if you get more than the 13 cases.
08-05-2001 Over year old.
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BladeRunner
Elite Veteran
Location: Ontario Canada. Member of "some sort" s

Wildcat fuel???????

Thanks guys, I guess I will look further for 15% heli, at this point I'm not interested in all out power, 15% is a LOT more affordable than 30% around here. I've been useing 15% Coolpower in my 30's, seems to work OK. But for my new OS50 and the YS ST II I want to go with Wildcat, seems to be a lot of positive posts about it.------------- Barry.
08-05-2001 Over year old.
 
 
Dragon2115
Key Veteran
Location: New England

Bladerunner,

CP15 will work fine in most if not all 30 size engines. Just buy the CP15 airplane instead of the heli. It's the same stuff. We're paying a dollar more for a sticker on the side of the bottle. No kidding.
08-05-2001 Over year old.
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BladeRunner
Elite Veteran
Location: Ontario Canada. Member of "some sort" s

Wildcat Fuel?????????????

Thanks Dragon, I 'm useing Cruelpower 15%(non heli) now, but I want to try the Wildcat in my OS 50 and YS ST II.(neither have seen fuel yet). I have read a lot of positive things about it, the LHS where I bought the Wildcat 15(non heli) told me that they don't make a 15% heli, I guess they were out of it or he really didn't know. The 15% non heli was $22.90 and the 30% heli is about $46!!! I'm no where near any 3-D stuff and I don't think I will need the 30% for quite a while.---------Barry.
08-06-2001 Over year old.
 
 
Dragon2115
Key Veteran
Location: New England

$46!!! Holy schnikies. Wow, how much of that is import tax?

Have you given any thought to selling your current engines and going with Rossi's and 5% fuel? It might be more economical for you. Either that or maybe a gasser. With the price of fuel there a gasser would pay for itself in no time.

Dragon
08-06-2001 Over year old.
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BladeRunner
Elite Veteran
Location: Ontario Canada. Member of "some sort" s

Wildcat fuel?????

Scary huh? Don't forget that's $46 Canadian, and that = about $2.31 US. Just kidding! But it is expensive, that's why I will stick with the 15% for now.---------Barry.
08-06-2001 Over year old.
 
 
MitchD
Senior Heliman
Location: Antioch TN USA

Cool power a ripoff? I dont think so,morgan fuels doesnt put the pricetag on CP whoever is selling it does.
I never had a problem running cool power in the YS's or the OS's
pull your engine apart sometime your bearings and other components will tell you the truth.
Most heli fuels today are better than ever,morgan doesnt use chinese nitro (like others do)which has so many impurities in it .morgan will never use it
Morgan had tested the Chinese nitro and wouldnt produce a run of fuel with chinese nitro in it because there was so much "garbage" in it.
Morgan uses Angus Nitro which is clean as well as the alcohol thats used in the fuel.
Lots of pilots used/tried/tested different fuels and went back to CP for many reasons one mainly being longer engine life and performance,even if it was a buck more than others.......
Recommended fuel for a YS ST2 is CP 30,its the oil viscosity and fuel components that make the ys work vs anything else.
CP or 15% works fine in a os50, cp 30 works even better.
We used to add a few oz's of oil to 15% to get better lubrication and smoother runs in a hover when we used to run os61 sfn's.
adding the oil fixed all inconsistent run problems and made the eng bearings real happy.
Morgan Fuels are the number one selling fuel here in the us and maybe even the world by volume for a good reason ,it works.
buying with friends is a good idea,power in numbers always works
if you think youre getting ripped off ask trucking companies why they charge so much to ship model fuel(HazMAT Fees)
Now that would even make the pope mad!

'the answers to all problems lie at the bottom of a 55 gal fuel drum
08-07-2001 Over year old.
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z11355
rrMaster
Location: 10000 is enough time wasted.

Sorry Mitch but lets face it. As a 'rep' for various companies, particularly Morgan, I'm not buying into your FUD (fear, uncertainty and doubt). Someone has to pay for all those full color, full page Morgan ads and I dont think it's Fred.


Wildcat is a fine fuel made of premium ingredients. I dislike your attempt to infer that there is nothing as good as CP or that Wildcat and everyone beside Morgan use crap Chinese nitro. As a matter of fact,
Wildcat is more than happy to tell you they use only Klotz oil. What
brandZ oil does Morgan use? Who knows, they ain't telling. Jeez,
they only tell you what the oil is if you call them.

Why dont you call DaveS @ YS and ask about Wildcat fuel. I did.
I despise the 'add a heli sticker, add a dollar' BS and then the Mach7 vs. CP BS
that Morgan plays. Just be straight.

I've run several cases of Wildcat though my engines and they love it.
At least I can see the machine instead of the CP cloud.

Just like your diatribe about 'buy USA'. If Altech weren't so quick to charge 150-200% over MSRP for Eagle parts, maybe they would sell more. I for one ain't paying Rick's $155 for a swash I can get for $80 in Asia. It's greed pure and simple. I'd love to get an Eagle GS but not
at the parts price Altech wants. Ditto on the greedy Robbe/Schluter guy. Great machines but $55 for a plastic 1 piece injected servo tray?
08-07-2001 Over year old.
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Rotorhead
Senior Heliman
Location: Spokane, WA

Mach7



You can get 30% Mach7 now, supposed to be the same as CP.

http://www.mach7fuels.com/index.htm

I AM NOT A REP!

I might consider being one if the jug would stay full.

My LHS doesn't carry either Wildcat or CoolPower.
Name your poison and get it in the air!
08-08-2001 Over year old.
 
 
z11355
rrMaster
Location: 10000 is enough time wasted.

I forgot to mention that Dragon2115 is slightly incorrect on his
numbers. I checked yesterday and Wildcat30 has gone up slightly
to about $16.75/gl. Shipping from KY to New England is about $100
and when you get to the 17-20 case level, it's about $115, so, the
price per gallon is about $18.50-$19 delivered.

This compares to Mach7 (nee Morgan) 30% w/ free shipping @ $20/gl.
Yea, I'll bet Horizon hasn't figured out Mach7 = Morgan.
08-08-2001 Over year old.
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MitchD
Senior Heliman
Location: Antioch TN USA

Z11335
why dont you call jeff green at altech,or fred at morgan fuels or even len sabato at horizon and ask why the price differences,and let us all know what they said?(Most of us know what they may tell you).....

'the answers to all problems lie at the bottom of a 55 gal fuel drum
08-13-2001 Over year old.
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Dragon2115
Key Veteran
Location: New England

Hey Mitch,

I just got a price quote for CP30 @ $16.00/gallon on a bulk buy. That's less than I can get the Wildcat for. So according to your logic what does that say about Morgan?

And btw, what does that say about the markup at the retailer when he's charging $22.95/gallon for it?
08-13-2001 Over year old.
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z11355
rrMaster
Location: 10000 is enough time wasted.

Mitch,

Since your 'connected', please enlighten me as I obviously do not understand
the business model involved here.

And while your trying to slap me, I find it odd that on one hand your preaching
all this 'pay US retail' to us and on the other, YOUR getting YOUR machines, fuel and blades at some reduced cost via the companies you rep for.
08-13-2001 Over year old.
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MitchD
Senior Heliman
Location: Antioch TN USA

Buying bulk fuel is a good money saver,I'm glad you got a good deal on fuel,sounds like you got a real good deal....
seems like some hobbyshops keep fuel real cheap to keep customers coming in,or mark it up high because of overhead etc or what ever reason they may come up with,I've been to a lot of shops all over and theyre all different on fuel prices,
I know hazmat fees are standard and something that has to be paid mandatorily on any fuel, usually no less than 40 bucks a skid plus shipping and thats paid by the dealer and absorbed by all of us at the cash register. I really dont like it but thats our good old EPA hard at work..........
I was suggesting before to TRY to get a deal at home,I know some hobbyshops wont budge on theyre prices period but I know some will depending on different things,the LHS's need us as much as we need them and I know they cant survive selling glow plugs n fuel tubing alone but hey if you try to deal with em at least you can give yourself an "a" for effort......nuthing wrong with saving money.....
If they wont work with you its theyre loss,especially if youre a good customer,I guess I'm fortunate to have a good lhs nearby but I've never bought overseas If the lhs didnt have it i'd get it from someone else,
I came into the hobby before the net stores were around,or even popular,but believe me I paid the rate for a long time before i got any deal on anything.........

I always keep in mind that a lot of things are donated by mfgs/distributors/hobbyshops, to be given away or raffled at funflies/events,even fuel,Morgan gives tons of fuel away,and sponsors a lot of events(not saying that other fuel co's dont)

Z send me an e mail and gimme a # i can call you at,if youd like,it'd take too long to type it all out on here but i could probably explain it a lot better verbally ,or pm me in rcheli.
I get bent when anyone downs morgan fuels (nuthing personal);cause the stuff is top shelf and it works and theyre a good company thats been around for a long time,and contributes immensely to the hobby ......
08-15-2001 Over year old.
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HighHover
Heliman
Location: New Jersey

Tower

I bought mine from towerhobbies a while back ..

here is the link

http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bi...=1&I=LXA313&P=7
08-28-2001 Over year old.
 
 
CCoker
Senior Heliman
Location: Atlanta,GA

Fuels

I have run 15% omega,15% CP,30%CP, Wildcat30% ,and even 25%CP.
I really liked the the 25%CP, lots of power and nowhere near the smoke of 30%CP and only $2 more than 15%.
I never had any trouble,but after reading all the warnings about runing airplane fuel I went back to the 15% heli fuel. I wish some solid info about fuels would surface.
08-29-2001 Over year old.
 
 
z11355
rrMaster
Location: 10000 is enough time wasted.

CP15 'Heli' fuel is nothing more than CP15 Airplane
fuel w/ a white 'HELI' sticker on it.

So, if it's heli fuel you seek, you need CP12.5 or 30
08-29-2001 Over year old.
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Rotorhead
Senior Heliman
Location: Spokane, WA

"CP15 'Heli' fuel is nothing more than CP15 Airplane
fuel w/ a white 'HELI' sticker on it.

So, if it's heli fuel you seek, you need CP12.5 or 30"

z speaks the truth for all that wish to fly down the path of truthfulness

I have a case of Mach7 30% enroute, and will report my findings. Not cheap but available delivered to the doorstep!
08-29-2001 Over year old.
 
 
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