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Four Stroker
Veteran
Location: Atlanta

Hey John;

Is the 12X DSM2 like they said ? Still have a button on the back ?

Very respectable number for a 12 channel radio - less than the X9303.
03-21-2008 09:50 PM
 
 
JKos
Elite Veteran
Location: City of California in the state of Maryland

RCHelicopterGuy,
You have to keep something in perspective... The ATX radio you are referring to only updated four channels each frame. We are now updating 12 channels with twice the resolution every frame.

Rhett,
> Any idea why they would choose the 2/3 update rate, versus 3/3?

It's just what Futaba chose to do. Only they know.

Ace,
> Anyone know what the maximum length of a frame is?

In general or of a specific radio or?

FS,
> Is the 12X DSM2 like they said? Still have a button on the back ?

Yes an yes.

- John

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03-21-2008 10:23 PM
 
 
Ace Dude
Elite Veteran
Location: USA

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Ace,
> Anyone know what the maximum length of a frame is?

In general or of a specific radio or?


Good question, is the frame size based on vendor implementation or hardware or determined by a governing body/standard (e.g., IEEE) dependent?



03-21-2008 10:33 PM
 
 
RCHelicopterGuy
Veteran
Location: Michigan

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RCHelicopterGuy,
You have to keep something in perspective... The ATX radio you are referring to only updated four channels each frame. We are now updating 12 channels with twice the resolution every frame.


Ahhhh, I must have missed that. You're right, that does offer another perspective. The numbers aren't quite as "bad" when viewed in that light.

Thanks for the clarification. I'm still hoping the next high-end ATX radio blows 'em all into the bullrushes.
03-21-2008 11:39 PM
 
 
GimbalFan
Elite Veteran
Location: Copter County, Nv

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I'm still hoping the next high-end ATX radio blows 'em all into the bullrushes.
They certainly wouldn't dare step backwards from the Stylus' specs, eh? Only place left to go is up (down, actually) with time-related performance specs.

From a layman's point of view I'll speculate that we're pretty close to as fast as we're gonna get, latency-wise. Anything under 25 ms avg is respectable, and is surely plenty fast enough for what even the best RC guys do with their birds.

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03-22-2008 06:40 AM
 
 
w.pasman
Elite Veteran
Location: Netherlands

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Anything under 25 ms avg is respectable, and is surely plenty fast enough for what even the best RC guys do with their birds.

My guess is that EVERY millisecond is counting. We are already waiting for 10ms avg and when that's reached the wait is for 2ms avg.
03-25-2008 09:27 PM
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GimbalFan
Elite Veteran
Location: Copter County, Nv

One would never argue that faster isn't better, but given the nature of our gear and the (possible) cost per unit to get below 10 ms, do you really think there'll be much of a push by either the manufacturers OR the pilots to achieve it?

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03-25-2008 09:32 PM
 
 
JKos
Elite Veteran
Location: City of California in the state of Maryland

Here are the receiver pulse output schemes for the AR9000/R921 and R1221 receivers with the JR 12X in heli mode.


- John

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03-25-2008 09:50 PM
 
 
RCHelicopterGuy
Veteran
Location: Michigan

Gimbal,

While I probably agree that there's not enough return in the model aviation world to justify the development costs of an ultra-fast radio link, my guess is that the technology trickle-down from other industries will continue to advance radio technology.
03-25-2008 10:05 PM
 
 
Four Stroker
Veteran
Location: Atlanta

John;

Which three channels do they recommend for CCPM ?
03-25-2008 10:53 PM
 
 
JKos
Elite Veteran
Location: City of California in the state of Maryland

FS,
The channels are classic JR... 2, 3, and 6.

- John

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03-25-2008 11:26 PM
 
 
Razmo
Key Veteran
Location: Chicago

Jkos,

Which 12x did you test, modular or integrated. I understand that they are suppose to be exactly the same, just curious.

Am I reading the results correctly, the DX7 is faster than the 12X?

Raz
04-01-2008 05:31 PM
 
 
hootowl
Elite Veteran
Location: Garnet Valley, Pa.

I like the Futaba sequence. 1,2,3 swash 4 rud, 5 gyro, 6 throt, 7 gov, 8 gov2, 9 needle and so on

Only CHANGE you'll get is what's left in your pocket.
04-01-2008 05:39 PM
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JKos
Elite Veteran
Location: City of California in the state of Maryland

Raz,
I tested the integrated but there really is no difference between the two when using the 2.4 GHz module. Seeing the insides proved that to me.

- John

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04-01-2008 11:17 PM
 
 
Razmo
Key Veteran
Location: Chicago

John,

Am I reading the results correctly, the DX7 is faster than the 12X?

Raz
04-02-2008 05:54 PM
 
 
turboomni
Elite Veteran
Location: 63 Rambler Down By The Dumpster

The DX7 is faster than the X9303 but the resolution of the 9303 is twice that of the DX7.

Setup is everything, All my heli's can fly better than I can pilot them
04-03-2008 04:02 AM
 
 
Razmo
Key Veteran
Location: Chicago

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The DX7 is faster than the X9303 but the resolution of the 9303 is twice that of the DX7.


I'm looking to confirm whether the 12x (not the 9303) is slower than the DX7. JR told me that it is faster than the DX7.

Raz
04-03-2008 04:08 AM
 
 
Four Stroker
Veteran
Location: Atlanta

That's why we have John to clear up these little marketing discrepancies.
04-03-2008 06:35 AM
 
 
turboomni
Elite Veteran
Location: 63 Rambler Down By The Dumpster

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The DX7 is faster than the X9303 but the resolution of the 9303 is twice that of the DX7.

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I'm looking to confirm whether the 12x (not the 9303) is slower than the DX7. JR told me that it is faster than the DX7.

Raz

Before the x9303 came out the rumor was that it would be faster than the DX7,, we shall see how the 12x does.

Setup is everything, All my heli's can fly better than I can pilot them
04-03-2008 03:36 PM
 
 
Razmo
Key Veteran
Location: Chicago

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Before the x9303 came out the rumor was that it would be faster than the DX7,, we shall see how the 12x does.


John has already posted latency results on the 12X. I was to hear from John whether I'm missing something. Where are you buddy?

Raz
04-03-2008 04:43 PM
 
 
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