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e-Lite Machines Corona > Wireless cameras....
 
 
imsofaman
Senior Heliman
Location: Northern NJ

Last year...I dropped a plane in the swamp. I bought a cheap wirless video camera system off Ebay so I could find the plane in the swamp. I got in the mail...set it all up. It was crap. I could not get more than 100 feet away before it would break up.

Today...I hooked up my Digital camera to my Corona...it was really heavy and I only get thirty seconds of video! I ended up loosing it in the wind coming down hard...I proke a blade! But that was about it......I needed to go back home and dig out that wreless thing again!

I took out my old wireless system from Ebay....and lengthened the antenna wire. Much better transmission!!! ...then I coiled the wire to filter out unwanted noise. Better still. Just wondering what my next move for inmprovement. The one thing I did not do was secure it well. Lots of virbration and I had it on the nose so you see lots of torque wobble. The next time...I may mount it in line with the main rotor shaft. I would like to upload this to my homepage and forward a link to you all...but it is not perfect.......yet! I hope to improve it more and then show it off soon....

Dave
04-07-2005 Over year old.
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imsofaman
Senior Heliman
Location: Northern NJ

The camera/transmitter is run by a 9 volt transister battery. I was thinking of trying out a 7.2 volt 145 milliamp lithium pack to power it. I was hopeing that it would increase the range of transmision by increasing the amperage.

Any thoughts out there????
04-07-2005 Over year old.
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crux12
Senior Heliman
Location: Minneapolis

Video systems vary greatly in performance. The Tx and Camera depend upon the voltage more for quality and the mA rating yeilds your run time in the system. Range can be improved by optomising the antennas on both Tx and Rx link. I'd sugest that you start there.
04-07-2005 Over year old.
 
 
imsofaman
Senior Heliman
Location: Northern NJ

I think I will head to radio shack and see if i can get a better antenna for the reciever today.

So you think that little 6 volt battery will pump out enought power to brodcastm from a decent distance?
04-07-2005 Over year old.
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crux12
Senior Heliman
Location: Minneapolis

You most likely picked up a sugar cube type camera with tx attached (just a guess). These type of cameras have been proven to provide very poor performance if any. Radio Shack will not be of much use unless you know exactly what your doing. Dropping the voltage to 6 v on a 9 volt system will most likely not exen be enough to power up the imager.

Few Questions:
What frequency are you running at?
What type of a system is it? (sugar cube or components)
CCD or CMOS imager?
Rated Tx power output?

If you can answer these questions, or better yet answer with a photo you will have a better understanding of what your capabilities are.
04-07-2005 Over year old.
 
 
imsofaman
Senior Heliman
Location: Northern NJ

Oh man...I will try to asnswer the best I can.

It is the sugar cube type. The box is gone....not sure who the make is.

What frequency are you running at? It brodcasts on UHF...this is what it says in the instruction sheet:

Scan Frequency PAL/CCIR: 50Hz NTSC/EIE:60Hz

Power Output 50mW, 200mW

Output Freq. 1.2 G

Camera power DC+8V

Transmision distance 50 to 150m
04-08-2005 Over year old.
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imsofaman
Senior Heliman
Location: Northern NJ

You know....sitting still it looks awesome. But the vibration really messes up the image. I will try to make some type of shock absorbing system for the camera. Anyway...thanks for trying to help me figure out what to do next.

Dave
04-08-2005 Over year old.
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crux12
Senior Heliman
Location: Minneapolis

Thats a start. One major upgrade for your video system if your having vibe issues is to strip down the heli and rebild it one peice at a time making sure that each part is balanced individually and as a complete system. If the heli runs silky smooth with out vibes then you can rule out obvious mechanical issues. Where are you mounting the camera? Close to ESC? Motor? Attempt to mount the camera and Tx 4" or further from ESC and motor.
Shield electronics using copper tape including wires. BTW lexan is agreat material to work with for building camera mounts as it has a natural tendicy to help smooth out the image. good luck.
04-08-2005 Over year old.
 
 
imsofaman
Senior Heliman
Location: Northern NJ

I think that the major problem was how I mounted it just with a loop of duct tape. I also feel that my hli is running awesome...I had the camera mounted on the nose....so any torque/compensation will be magnified further away from the main shaft. It was also able to woble back and forth because of the duct tape. The camera was mounted on the opposite side of the ESC on the frame. I will send photos of the original set up and the modifications later. Thanks for your time and patience!

Dave
04-08-2005 Over year old.
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mattchase
Heliman
Location: Las Vegas

I have purchased 2 wireless cams, the first one was much like what you have now. It transmits on 1.2ghz, was a very small cube size, and I could get maybe 50 feet out of it before it died. I have since read that many of the 1.2ghz cameras are like this, that the transmitting on that freq. is a clue that they are the low end systems. The other clue was that the receiver has a pot for tuning in the camera, it isn't set to a single, stable freq. I'm not too dissapointed though, I only paid $50 for it (think I might use it as a rear view in my van ).

The 2nd camera I bought is 2.4ghz, and is more like the size of a shrunken lipstick cam. It is a bit under 2" in length, and the receiver has 4 selectable (and specific) channels it will work on. I paid about $110 for this one, though it isn't exactly what was advertised on the website and I still haven't heard back from them about why this is (they have a bunch of pictures of what it looks like you are buying, but that isn't what I recieved). Out of the box this one would go about 100-200 feet, with some static and breakup. I have since added a 6dBi directional antenna to the reciever, and can now get between 500-600 feet before static and breakup occurs. I plan on getting an even higher gain antenna (probably a 14dBi for about $50), and am thinking about opening up the camera itself to put at least a longer wire, if not a high gain omni on it as well. I hope to get up to 1000 feet with the better antenna on the reciever.

Currently I'm only using it on my plane, and it was just behind the motor mounted with a thin piece of soft plastic. It's not very stable of a mount, the few videos I've done so far have so much bounce it would make a seasoned flyer naucious!
04-20-2005 Over year old.
 
 
imsofaman
Senior Heliman
Location: Northern NJ

I was amazed that I could get reception of at least 200 feet by lengthing the antenna. I was amazed. Maybe doing that and getting a new antena for the reciever is the ticket! Do you have the part number and where you purchased your latest reciever antenna?
04-22-2005 Over year old.
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crux12
Senior Heliman
Location: Minneapolis

Quick google turned up a few results
1.2GHz High Gain Dipole Antenna
http://www.vfmstore.com/ant1206x.htm

Or save a few $$$ and go with the homebrew method
http://www.rc-cam.com/gp_patch.htm
04-22-2005 Over year old.
 
 
mattchase
Heliman
Location: Las Vegas

The 6dBi antenna I have now is actually meant for wi-fi networking, it is an SMC 2.4Ghz antenna that I got at Comp USA a long time ago and wasn't using for anything else. The next antenna I plan on getting will probably be from here http://www.blackwidowav.com/productaccessories.html . This site has some really good quality wireless products, and the prices to go with that quality! Actually, the prices aren't too bad really, and I'm sure there are a lot of people here who will attest to the quality of product (I don't currently own any of the stuff from this site). When I decide to get serious about AP, I plan on buying a downlink from BlackWidow though haven't decided which one yet.
04-28-2005 Over year old.
 
 
ysacin
Heliman
Location: Ridgefield, NJ

Can you power the cam. it to the Heli's Lipo Battery?

Can you power a 2.4 tiny wireless camera to the lipo pack from the rc heli? I have a draganflyer (www.rctoys.com) that came with a wireless camera. It runs the same battery as a regular RC heli. The main board has dc output for the included camera. However as soon as the motors went on I got static. It came with a 1.2Ghz camera, pretty dissapointing in quality. The video receiver had no external antenna and the image breaks 20 feet away. (however, I didn't have the recommended assistant to fool around with the video receiver while I fly the aircraft).

I upgraded the wireless camera to a 2.4 from canada through ebay for $50 (Title "2.4Ghz Wireless Spy Video Camera RC Helicopter Airplane") I will give it a try in the next few days. I'll share pictures if anyone here is interested.

I recently got my first real (electric) rc heli, an ARK x400 heli (t rex 450x sucessor). It's supposed to be less sensitive to wind, but I'll see if I can control it as easilly as the draganflyer. Anyway, I was wondering if I should look into also powering the wireless camera from the heli battery for a stronger signal rather than (carrying a 9V Battery). .

I should also consider one of those tiny digital video/picture cameras with an SD memory card. The new panasonic one is 2. something ounces and 2 megapixels. If it's light enough it would be cool to tilt it up and down with a servo somehow.

PS. I was supposed to find out which of the two (draganflyer or electric heli) was the best option for aerial pictures/video and sell the other one. But I don't know if I'll be able to part with my toys. Now I am addicted to real flight G3 and I can't wait to see what trick I can do on the new x400. 2 grants latter and I still don't have aerial pictures. Life is full of surprises. I am blaming life.

-Yamil
05-04-2005 Over year old.
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Freakazoid
Heliman
Location: Roosendaal - The Netherlands.

Ive got a 800mW. one that runs on 12~9v. that simply loves sucking juice from a 3cell lipo. It allows me to go out for about a good 300 meter (about 1000ft.) before it starts goofing off. And trust me, the corona probably turns into a dot LONG before you get to the end of the cam range.

I got it from www.inesun.com
Real nice chinese people, free shipping, and nice item prices. Lots and lots of cams to pick from. I went for the 800mW one with audio to I can enjoy the sound of wind going across the wings of my plane in a dive and such, but for just using in a corona, you can take the smaller audioless one (unless you like to hear the sound of a whirring motor and whistling rotorblades) because its alot cheaper and probably is a little more power efficient.

Enjoy.
04-29-2006 Over year old.
 
 
imsofaman
Senior Heliman
Location: Northern NJ

Freakazoid.....which unit did you get? There are so many to choose from. If you could let me know.....that would be awesome!!!!!


Dave
04-30-2006 Over year old.
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Freakazoid
Heliman
Location: Roosendaal - The Netherlands.

http://www.inesun.com/list_1.asp?id=235

They say 2000ft, but wel... you know... chinese people.
04-30-2006 Over year old.
 
 
imsofaman
Senior Heliman
Location: Northern NJ

Thanks so much for the info!!!!!!
04-30-2006 Over year old.
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