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Lift
Elite Veteran
Location: Houston, TX

So, it took you 9 yrs to accomplish what I did in 8 mos?????

Hmmmmmm.

All in good fun!

07-25-2002 07:54 PM

Syclic
Senior Heliman
Location: Northern Hemisphere

Seneca

Could we get back to the topic of helicopters.

Please show me from all your experience in full scale etc. what is the strong points of the Sceado 50 systems over the Falcon SE systems and why you think they are better.

a) Rotor Head-(Blade grips and bearing complement, flybar system,
bell/hiller mixing system, etc.)
b) Control system-(Seesaw system, Washout system, swashplate etc)
c) Clutch/fan system-(design relative to alignment problems, wear problems, vibration problems, ease of build etc.)
d) Tail rotor drive system - (dependability, efficiency of power transfer, etc.)
e)mainframe and servo tray design- ( relative longitudinal and vertical rigidity relative to the whole and relative to heat disipation)
f) Tail rotor system- (reliability, various loads handled and the bearing systems used to manage these loads, precision of pitch changes under load, etc.)

If you can show me how these systems are better in any heli over those in another and how they all come together to make the whole even better then the sum of its individual systems then you will have some credibility in my eyes. Until then you are simply an owner of a lot of helis. This can be a function of a fat wallet (and in some cases an equally overweight ego) a lot more then a function of an abundance of pertenant knowledge.

e.g. I have a very good friend who has many helicopters, yet knows little about them other then that they fly. He is always amazed at how someone can buy one he thought was a POS, set it all up properly and proceed to fly the bejesus out of it. How did this fellow do it. By knowing all the various systems and how to get them set to perform to their potential. Yet in the past, he has bad mouthed a lot of product only to have to eat humble pie later.

07-25-2002 10:09 PM

voclain
Senior Heliman
Location: Houma, LA

SENECA......

....YOU did not answer his question????

WHY??????

Like I said, you must be a closet CENTURY LOVER!!!!!!

IF you are not a closet lover, then PLEASE, PLEASE do us all a big favor and help us by freeing us from this horible, horible, Century toy!!!

Imagine I'm in the back of a building and the front is one fire. WOULD you help me to get out of that burning building???

OR would you just sit there and tell me how silly I was for being at work today???

What would you do???

HELP ME PLEASE at this YOUNG precious stage of my TOY career!!! HELP me, FREE me, from this horible disfigured CENTURY CREATURE and show me WHY??????

Kirk Voclain

07-26-2002 02:05 AM

HOMEPAGE

Trace
Senior Heliman
Location: Wildwood, MO

ROFLMAO....

Kirk you are just toooo funny. I really like the bent the forums have taken since you showed up. Great sense of humor!! Keep it up.

Trace

07-26-2002 02:19 AM

ncostes
Veteran
Location: US

Seneca,

It is one thing to "help the poor ignorant newbies" and warn them off of what you think is a bad heli when they post asking for such advice on say, the beginners forum, or main discussion or something.

When people are posting in the Century forum that they are happy with their new Century heli (which is how this particular topic started), why do you feel obliged to step in and tell them how bad of a mistake they made - that is just low class.

You make it clear how busy you are and how full your life is, so why waste your time just being a spoiler?

So you had a bad experience, sorry to hear it. Folks had some struggles with raptors, and yet lots of people like them and fly them including guys I know at the field. And they're happy with them, and I'd be doing them no favor putting down the heli that they are proud to build and fly.

Your objections are gross generalizations ("this heli is a POS") that are not helpful, you offer NO objective evidence or feature comparisons that would actually be helpful to those of us that are less experienced.

I am thankful for the real experts who make time to check in here and at the field, those who are helpful regardless of wether you own their pet heli or one they don't own or like.

Most of these guys will tell you that just about any heli on the market today is fine (some need more attention than others), and that attention to assembly detail and maitenance, as well as pilot skill count for much more than which brand/model you buy.

Thanks for posting,

Nick

07-26-2002 02:48 AM

ncostes
Veteran
Location: US

Say he was wrong and it doesn't work out, I'm sure he'll appreciate you telling him "I told you so"? Probably not.

Again no problem with pre-purchase honest objective fact-filled opinion/comparison. But what's the point of droning on after the fact other than just to spoil people's fun?

Unless Kirk is onto something here with the closet century fan thing...

07-26-2002 03:00 AM

ncostes
Veteran
Location: US

Hmm, I kind of picked up that you had no part in that decision from your posts in his other topic of "that Century crap is a POS and you're a jackass if you ever buy one" (ok I kind of embellished it

). But thanks for clearing the matter up for us dense Century owners

Now all the world knows how you really feel about Century helis and you can quit "clarifying your position" here

(though I detect you get a lot more enjoyment from this than you should

)

Thanks
Nick

07-26-2002 03:23 AM

ncostes
Veteran
Location: US

No one had to "die", I beat the old king crapper in a fair match.

Daddy?

07-26-2002 03:34 AM

ncostes
Veteran
Location: US

Only if it says "Hawk IV".

07-26-2002 03:37 AM

Dazzler
Elite Veteran
Location: Ohio

C'mon people!!

I've just read this post, and all the personal attacks are terrible, dont you guys realize "We are all on the same team" Team Helicopter. Daz...

07-26-2002 03:43 AM

HOMEPAGE

ncostes
Veteran
Location: US

You posted that no one posts why the century helis are good. You probably missed all the posts where we do that. Here's a good example of a balanced discussion of shuttle vs hawk.

http://runryder.com/showtopic.htm?s...e+is+this+cheap

Look for Syclic's very long and detailed post about the hawk vs shuttle as he has them both (and other hirobos) and compares features to features.

Also look for Oldfart's replies - there's a guy who's got a lot of experience and knowledge in this field.

If you really look, you will find many posts like this where people are comparing facts - and those are the posts that are useful to everyone. I learned a lot about the shuttle plus on that topic - I was considering getting one as they were going for $189 at the time (maybe still are).

Certainly it sounds like it has improved over the old shuttle I had back in the 80s with the starting belt.

Take some time to read through that thread so you can know the enemy a little better and be more convincing in your next attack instead of just "pos" and "gay starting".

BTW nice gallery (seriously). I like the scale bodies, very nice. The vertol looks cool too - I have a video of one crashing where the rotors smack into each other and disintegrate - painful to watch but cool.

07-26-2002 03:51 AM

ncostes
Veteran
Location: US

You said "if the hawk III was so revolutionary where is it today". It's been improved and is called the Hawk IV.

I just bought one tonight used (Hawk III + engine + servos + gyro) on here after confirming with Oldfart that upgrading it to a Hawk IV was fairly easy (8mm -> 10mm mainshaft, head, 2 boom supports, bushings -> bearings, etc.)

So you didn't know what happened to the Hawk III, now you're asking me why you don't see Century helis in your crystal ball?

Maybe your crystal ball is broken - is it a hirobo? (just kidding I have nothing against hirobo

) Maybe you're just not a very good medium and have as much trouble seeing the future as the past & present?

You don't like to deal in details so you generalize. Ok I can buy that.
I know it's hard to deal in details, takes effort and knowledge. So you'll understand why "POS" and "gay starting" carry a lot less weight than detailed objective observations.

BTW the hirobo alien was a great little r/c car, but it's nowhere to be found today - doesn't mean it was a POS - I would have loved to have had one at the time

07-26-2002 04:43 AM

Dave_D
Key Veteran
Location: Philippines

Hello Everyone,

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I dont like going into detail so abbreviations such as "POS" and "Gay starting" get the job done.

This is why this thread got out of hand to begin with. If I were in the same heli club flying with SENECA, I'd probably beleive him. However, on the forums, it's a lot different. Since everybody can jump in, those posts which give detailed arguments will carry more credence than plain "shoot from the hip" comments.

I've been here on RR as long as most of you and until all of us learn proper netiquette, these flame wars will never end. The worse part is, nobody will stop replying because if you stop, it's like admitting defeat.

I suggest we all take a break from this thread as I feel it doesn't put best foot forward in promoting RR as a great site for information on this hobby.

Please post nice.

If you want a flame war, I feel a chat room is still best for that and doesn't get recorded for posterity.

Remember, on the internet EVERYBODY can know how smart or dumb you are so make sure every post you make will only show the best of who you are.

P.S. It took me 2 minutes to click on the submit reply just to make sure this post is worthy of being read. I suggest most of us do the same.

07-26-2002 05:12 AM

ncostes
Veteran
Location: US

True but I don't think any of us ever said that Century helis would doom all other brands to extinction, or that CY or anyone else would be flying them (especially since they only make 30/50 size ships). I think all we said is it's a good heli and a good value, and has some features that outshine some of the competition in the same price range.

It is possible for a raptor to be good and a hawk to be good and a shuttle to be good, one doesn't have to be a POS so the other one can be good.

I scoop POS out of the litterbox and into the garbage can. I take my Hawk IV to the field and fly it (and crash it sometimes) and have a great time with it. There is a big difference

Anyway you better pipe down before Dave_D kicks both our butts

I still like your gallery - only thing it's missing is a Hawk IV

07-26-2002 05:27 AM

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