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Century Hawk - Falcon - Raven - Predator > Alright! You Guys Sucked Me In!

jimmyhua
Veteran
Location: Guam

Thanks to the postings of Seneca, Syclic, Voclain and others. I just ordered online, a new heli. It's the Century Falcon SE v2. Hopefully it was the correct choice. I originally was in the "Century" forum to get tips on my Hawk III and Hawk SE.

I sold the Hawk III, as it's a piece of junk when compared to the Hawk SE, and with some luck I'll be getting the Falcon in the mail soon.

Well, here's the set-up I ended up with:

Century Falcon SE V2
CN 2022 Turbo Fan
OS 50SX-H Ringed
CY Muscle Pipe, Left Header set
CSM ICG 540 Gyro + Futaba S9450 servo
Hitec 545BB on collective and 525BBs everywhere else.
Hitec Supreme Rx Channel 35. (PPM)
Hitec 1100 mAh 4.8V Rx Batt
Header Tank

I can no longer stand my constant incessant tweaking of the needles on the OS32SX just to get a little more power for the things I'm trying on the SE (nothing crazy, just loops, rolls and inverted climbouts, going to be trying piro's and piro flips soon hopefully). I had a great run on the SE the other day, but on the 2nd flight of the day, it started losing power, Arrgh! I had the needles out to lean again.

The goal with the Falcon is to have the needles fat overly rich and happy, so no tweaking required on my part, and still have enough power to do everything.

So, yes I did go against some guys advice. Like, someone mentioned that with the Muscle pipe, you end up with TOO much power. Easily fixed, at max collective I'll use 70% throttle or less. I almost bought a governor. But there were folks that insisted with the Muscle Pipe it shouldn't be necessary. Nonetheless, I simply ran out of money, so no governor for now!

Turbo Fan not necessary, well, maybe I'll just put it in the Hawk SE as it does have overheating problems as I am a bit too agressive with the needle.

I've been checking out the Hirobo Forum too, as I was originally gonna buy the Sceadu50 or Raptor50. But seeing that the Hawk SE and Falcon SE has alot of interchangeable parts, and alot of guys give it the two thumbs up, I went this route. Actually, I ALMOST caved in to the cheaper price of the Raptor50 at $275. But I figure the carbon blades alone more than make up the hundred+ dollar difference. Plus, I won't have to deal with possible Woof problems.

Alot of guys were saying that the Futaba 9202's on the collective on a Sceadu is not enough! Wow, will the 9202 on the collective be enough for the Falcon? I'm curious, and the Hitec 545's have the same specs as the 9202s.

Anyways, if this ship doesn't fly as good as an Ergo60 SuperSport. I'll know who to blame

Actually, I'll be looking to this forum for building advice, as it will be the first heli I have built/assembled.

Jimmy

07-24-2002 06:21 PM

voclain
Senior Heliman
Location: Houma, LA

Jimmy....

....Go and read my Falcon SE II Building project thread....IT will save you some time.

Yours,

Kirk

07-24-2002 07:56 PM

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gforce
Veteran
Location: Jacksonville FL

I don't think you will be dissapointed Jimmy. Just built one and it flies great. Have fun!!!!!!!!!! Let's build Sheadu's next?

There are some other threads on tail mods, gyro mount location, etc. you have probably seen them.

07-24-2002 08:19 PM

blazen
Senior Heliman
Location: California

Don’t use the Aluminum fan

Don’t use the Aluminum fan, It’s a peace of junk !! I bought one and it was 15 thousands out of round and had about the same amount of vertical wobble. The store I bought it from gave me three more to check. As I suspected they where all the same. So needless to say I’m back to the plastic Fan. I personally consider anything over 2 thousands unacceptable Any high speed rotating part that is out by more 2 thousands of an inch has the capability of producing significant amounts of High frequency vibrations. I like my radio gear to much to subject it to that kind of punishment

73’s
Blazen

07-25-2002 08:34 AM

voclain
Senior Heliman
Location: Houma, LA

Seneca......

.............For someone who hates the Hawk so much, you sure do hang out in the Century Forum area a whole lot......

I think you are a closet LOVER of the Hawk........

Come on out the CLOSET Seneca!!!!! It's OK, we won't tease you and ridicule you!!!!

Kirk Voclain

07-25-2002 02:44 PM

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voclain
Senior Heliman
Location: Houma, LA

PLUS.....

....I think if you WERE TO ACTUALLY read his post, you would find out that he did not buy a HAWK, he bought a FALCON!!!

Kirk Voclain

07-25-2002 02:47 PM

HOMEPAGE

Lift
Elite Veteran
Location: Houston, TX

Here is my take

JimmyHua,
Here is my take on the Falcon 50 SE II. I want you to consider things in a REALISTIC tone.

Flight performance of the Falcon is EXCELLENT. It is fast, can be setup with crisp cyclic(MA White 3D paddles

), smooth as all get out, and autos like the BIG DAWGS. Because the head is designed proplerly you won't have to worry about woof issue. The clutch doesn't fail prematurely, and overheating hasn't been an issue. As a matter of fact I constantly measure temps from 185 - 205. I can go leaner but why? It pulls 12 degrees like it is.

Working on it is not like a Raptor. You don't loosen 4 bolts and drop things right out. The engine, clutch, fan, counter gear are PACKED. But, pulling the head is just as easy as the Raptor with the only exception being the slipper clutch.(BTW, don't waste your $ on the constant drive unit. Just makes crashes more expensive.) So, crashes and maintenance is a tad more involved. Just like an X-Cell.

The OS .50 is a powerhouse. I was disappointed the first 2 gallons and then one of our local top fliers told me to be patient. He was right, the OS .50 on CP30% has taken about 3 gallons to come alive. We are talking night and day different performance once it smooths out. Comparing the power to weight ratio of the Falcon to my R60 w/YS .61 ST2 is tuff but I think the R60 still has more power. But, the autos are equal and the fuel consumption is obviously in the Falcon' s court. Just leave the low end alone till gallon three and keep leaning the high end little by little. Unless you are at high altitude and running 15% nitro.

I ran the Curtis MP last night for about 5 tanks with the CP 30%. I finally got it dialed in around tank 3 and then did some inverted hovering/climbouts, backwards circuits, tumbles, loops & rolls, and the usual slow and low stuff. I think it is overkill. Also, it changes the CG to much for my liking. So, I think I am going to stay with my TT .50. It was actually working great now that the motor is alive. Just stay away from the CN3033B and you will do fine.

Now, for the reality check. I bought the Falcon to practice and develop my 3D. It is my beater heli. I have to remind myself that despite how much everyone raves about a product it all comes down to personal satisfaction. I am not the type that buys a kit and expects everything to be perfect. I am willing to alter the product to my liking as long as the core product is right. That is why I dislike the Raptor 30. Any heli that woofs has a design problem that I am NOT going to chase. The Raptor is really designed for beginners with the -Delta offset. Sure it will 3D but it is not optimized for it. So, the R50 was out. For some reason I just can't seem to jump into the Hirobo camp. I really like the Freya. They are great. But the Sceadu line is overpriced. Period.
So, that left me with the Fury 50( not a beater heli $), Voyager 50(cha ching$$), Kalt???, Bergen???.... na I'm sure their nice but not readily available parts.

So, like you I bought the Falcon and haven't looked back. Let the Sceadu and Raptor guys fuss all they like. The Falcon 50 SE II is a great little ship. Not a ton of plastic and for the most part the quality is high. Some parts aren't perfect but the sum of the whole is great.

You will be pleased. So far, the Falcon 50 SE II aside from my JR 8103 PCM radio is the best purchase I have made so far dollar/feature!

07-25-2002 03:10 PM

voclain
Senior Heliman
Location: Houma, LA

SENECA.......

......NOT a good excuse there my friend!!!

BECAUSE when you are in the "Start Here" sections, just to the right of the "NEW" it says: "Century - Hawk - Falcon - Raven"

So if I HATED something so bad as to be forced to say things like:

Quote
Sorry to hear,A Hawk? oh well, good luck,

Then when I would see the words: "Century - Hawk - Falcon - Raven", I would avoid that like antrax!!!

But no??? YOU instead poke your little head in and make a cute little remark, thus I think you are a CLOSET hawk lover!!!!

Come on over to the DARK SIDE LUKE!!! IT'S OK!!!! We're all good guys over here!!!!!

So in the future, if you don't have something NICE TO say, as my Grand Mother says, "....don't say nothing at all!"

Kirk Voclain

07-25-2002 03:31 PM

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voclain
Senior Heliman
Location: Houma, LA

I've read your post....

...YOU had an OLDER Hawk, NOW you want to compare it to a NEWER Falcon!!!

GET REAL,,,, Come out the Closet!!

Kirk

07-25-2002 04:02 PM

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voclain
Senior Heliman
Location: Houma, LA

By the way??? YOU must be a colector???? Would love to see you fly all those HELI at once???

I looked at your profile, and YOU have a few RAPTORS!!!! Now that's a good heli!!!

Kirk

07-25-2002 04:03 PM

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voclain
Senior Heliman
Location: Houma, LA

SENECA.....

.....By the way, thanks for helping me become a SENIOR MEMBER!!

With all this debate and your lack of understanding, I've now aquired 100 posts!! And thus I'm a SENIOR MEMBER!!!!

I'm a PRO like you now....

Kirk

07-25-2002 04:04 PM

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voclain
Senior Heliman
Location: Houma, LA

Here's an email I just got....

....I can play that game too:

"Kirk,

I think SENECA is just trying to yank your chain, YOU are right, he is a closet Centry lover. I think he needs to come out the closet but he's afraid we are going to be mad at him for all of the nasty comments he has made.

IF SENECA would actually buy one of the newer models, he would find out just like us that they are WAY better then the Sceadu for the money. Oh well, I guess that guy just likes spending the money. MAYBE he's a Sceadu REP and yet has a closet facination for the Century.

What ever is the truth about him, YOU are right and he is wrong, because you own one of the new ones and he does not."

YOU see, I've got people on my side too......

Kirk Voclain

07-25-2002 04:20 PM

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Lift
Elite Veteran
Location: Houston, TX

Comparisons

Just to clear up these blanket statements I would like to add something. I do not own a Hawk. I have NEVER owned a Hawk. The Falcon is a different class from Century. It is unjust to compare the two.

It would be like compare the Shuttle to the Sceadu. There are alot of design changes. The frames aren't even the same between the Hawk & Falcon.

For all you Seneca type guys that "went down the Century" road you need to wake up. Century has a NEW generation of helis coming and the Falcon 50 SE is one. The Predator 60 will be out and I would expect it to be a nice chopper considering what they did with the Falcon in the last 2 years.

If you haven't purchased and spent time on the Century products in the last two years then you got notta to go on. They have had to step it up or close the doors because the Hawk, Phoenix, et al were not cutting it. I agree the Hawk - Hawk III had it's issues. So did the old Shuttles. But, they have some nice refinements now days. If we could get them off that stupid wire drive all would be good.

The Falcon has a CF torque tube, slipper clutch, metal head block, metal swashplate, thrust bearings in all grips, non-issue start system, TONS of bearings, metal frames, MA low profile tuff-struts type landing gear, AND 600mm CF blades for $400.

So, you tell me where the suckers are????? No wonder you Sceadu clonies feel threatened.

I am not brand specific. I have owned:
Vigor CS
Fury Expert
Raptor 60
Venture 30
Raptor 30
Falcon 50
and if you Hirobo kooks don't ruin it for me a Freya.

I buy what is of good quality and makes sense. A few of my choices were good some were not. One thing for sure though, Century is trying hard to get some market ownership in pod and boom sport/3D and the Falcon 50 SE II will continue to gain popularity. Just takes confused individuals like myself to give them a try!!

07-25-2002 04:27 PM

voclain
Senior Heliman
Location: Houma, LA

Next thing you'll say is that you prefer NEXUS!!!

HEHEHEHHEHEHEHHEHEH

------------------WARNING---------------------
ALL OF THE ABOVE STATEMENTS
MADE BY SENECA, ARE BEING
MADE BY A CLOSET CENTURY
LOVER!!!
------------------WARNING---------------------
------------------WARNING---------------------
Will Robinson
------------------WARNING---------------------

Come on over back to the DARK SIDE LUKE!!!!

HEHEHEHEHHEHEHE

Kirk

07-25-2002 04:36 PM

HOMEPAGE

Lift
Elite Veteran
Location: Houston, TX

Whatever

And how many Falcon's have you owned now????

I looked LONG and HARD at the Sceadu 50. I opened the box and didn't see anything close to $440 worth of heli. Charge me for upgrades that should have been addressed in the design(DTDS, 3rd Bearing block)??? What??? Should have been corrected at the factory. Period

Personally, the Sceadu should'nt be more than $20 bucks over the Raptor 50. For the price of a Sceadu 50 I would take a bone stock Raptor 60 anyday.

07-25-2002 04:44 PM

Darkstar
Senior Heliman
Location: USA

It's only natural to be protective of one's child. So, when someone makes fun of it, even if it's god ulgy and disfunctional, they will only say nice things about it.

Tim.

07-25-2002 04:54 PM

voclain
Senior Heliman
Location: Houma, LA

AND you need to know......

Typing in red is hard to read, so just skip what is written above because it is written by a CLOSET CENTURY LOVER!!!!

Yours,

Kirk Voclain

07-25-2002 04:54 PM

HOMEPAGE

Lift
Elite Veteran
Location: Houston, TX

Enjoy the Falcon

Seneca,
Sorry for offending you and the Hirobo clan. I like Hirobo. Just not impressed with the hype of the Sceadu.

Have fun with the Sceadu.

JimmyHua,
Have fun with the Falcon SE. Let us know if you need some help.

This thread took a dive. I'm off.

07-25-2002 05:07 PM

voclain
Senior Heliman
Location: Houma, LA

Let's clear that up a little.....

......I too would rather ask an Astronaut!!

But would you rather ask Mr. Glenn or one of the OLDER Pilots who has never flown a Space Shuttle???

OR would you rather,

ASK one who is FLYING a Space Shuttle NOW???

For me, I would rather ask a newer Pilot!! ESP. IF it was a SPACE SHUTTLE I was planning to buy.

SO,,,,,All you readers out there......ASK yourself:

Do I believe SENECA, the owner of a HAWK III, a helicopter that is not even made anymore???

OR do I believe VOCLAIN, the owner of a FALCON SE II, a much improved and better made helicopter than the Seadou for the money.

YOU CHOOSE........

And frankly SENECA, I'm disappointed in you. YOU fell right into that one,,,,,BAD ANOLIGY!!!!

Yours,

Kirk Voclain

07-25-2002 05:24 PM

HOMEPAGE

Lift
Elite Veteran
Location: Houston, TX

Reminder

Seneca,
For the record the forum rules stipulate that the posts are to be directed to the topic and not the individual. Apparently you think that everyone on RR is full crap and speak from inexperience.

Now, so you want to question my experience?? Ok, granted lets be honest about it.

I have 12 yrs with glow models:
Cars 8 yrs
Boats 1 yr
Aiplanes 3 yrs
Helis - November 2001

Helicopters personally owned, built and flown:
Raptor 30 , OS .32, Revolution PZ-200
Venture 30, OS .32, GY 401
Falcon 50, OS .50, GY 401
Raptor 60, YS .61 ST2, GY 401
Fury 60 Expert, OS .61 WC, GY 401
Vigor CS, OS .61 WC, GY 401

Yes, I have been in helis under 1yr. My building skills are that of a 5 yr veteren because of my experience and ownership in the last year. I own all the precision tools to make them fly right and those on this message board that have SEEN me and my machines fly will testify to this.

My current flight skills include:
Full 360 degree hovers
Full 360 degree take off\landing
Forward Flight
Loops
Rolls
Backwards Flight ( outside circuits, figure-8s)
Stall Turns (540, 720, whatever)
Inverted Hovering (nose, left, right)
AutoRotations (non aerobatic thus far)

All of this has happened since last November. Why? Because I pay attention to detail, spend ALOT of time burning fuel, and helping others.

I feel totally qualified to recommend helicopters that I have owned and NOT owned IF I have spent the time researching them physically. Not just a bunch of hear-say on the internet.

If you feel that I am unqualified to give advise the so be it. But I have been honest about my experience.

Care to share yours so as to fully qualify your rhetoric?

07-25-2002 05:32 PM

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