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HIROBO Freya - Sceadu - Shuttle > Official US Sceadu Upgrades!!!

Greg Takacs
Veteran
Location: Fort Worth, TX

This is what I just received from Jeff Green today! Great stuff!

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Starting today, Any Sceadu .50 kits purchased From a US based Altech authorized dealer, is entitled to the 0412168 Sceadu DTDS gear set and 0412172 3rd Bearing block for $ 46.00 ( $ 39.00 + $ 7.00) direct from us. These parts will be available around the beginning of January.

Any .30 size Sceadu kit purchased from a US authorized Altech dealer can get the 570mm FRP blades for 42.00 (35.00 + 7.00 s & h)direct from us.

The above two offers are for Sceadu's already purchased from any US authorized Altech Dealer.

After January first, the Sceadu kits will be kitted as follows:

1) Sceadu 50's will now include the DTDS gear set and Third Bearing block. The kits will no longer include blades. Street prices may go up by 5.00

2) Sceadu 30's will now include 570mm glass blades and may also see a street price increase of 5.00.

Anyhow that is the deal. I think these two repackaged kits will answer what we are looking for in a kit.

Any kits purchased overseas will not be eligible for this offer.

Any questions, please give me a call at 732 225-6144 ext. 230 or email me here at jeffg@modelrectifier.com.

Take care guys
Jeff G

12-12-2001 Over year old.

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jmiceli11
Senior Heliman
Location: Girard, PA 15 min west of Erie, PA, USA

Sceadu Upgrade

It's nice to see that these needed upgrades are being offered but as a Sceadu 30 purchaser I feel a little cheated. The 50 guys get an upgrade that is worth over $120 while while the 30 guys only get an up grade of maybe $65 dollars for a dfference of a few dollars. If I had known that the 50 owners would have been getting this type of an upgrade I would have purchased a 50. I would like the forums opinion on this one, and I urge 30 owners to e-mail Jeff G to tell him their thoughts. Just my 2 cents. Thanks.

12-13-2001 Over year old.

vetrider
Elite Veteran
Location: Daleville, AL (Ft.Rucker)

I guess you have the option to keep sending back the Defective broken main gears and a bill for the damages from the crash after the gear breaks. If everyone did this then they might get the upgrades for free no matter where you bought your heli.

I'm not sure if this is strictly a US deal or world wide but It's suppose to make you feel like your getting a great deal.

"There is power in unity" IAM Union 2003

P.S. I mean "Defective" as in Main gear alignment system. Not the gear itself.

Nolan Manley
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12-13-2001 Over year old.

Greg Takacs
Veteran
Location: Fort Worth, TX

jmiceli11

Actually the Sceadu 50 owners don't get a $120 deal.

The current cusomers will be able to purchase the DTDS and 3rd bearing set for $46 which is about $65 less then the current retail price of the two pieces. So they are getting a $65 deal.

The current 30 owners deal is not that good, but a deal nevertheless....

Future 50 owners trully get the deal! They don't have to worry about getting rid of the 570mm blades so they actually get the DTDS and 3rd bearing for a mere $5 increase. THAT is the true deal! Since Alech would have ended up with a bunch of 570mm blades, they just give that away for $5 for the Sceadu 30 owners which I think is great. But you have to remember to add another $85-$105 to the price of the Sceadu 50 as you'll have to buy a decent set of blades for it.

So overall I think this will make the Sceadu 50 an AWESOME deal and a lot of people will reconsider about purchasing the Sceadu 30 in the first place as the Sceadu 50 will be a so much better deal!

12-13-2001 Over year old.

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jmiceli11
Senior Heliman
Location: Girard, PA 15 min west of Erie, PA, USA

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Greg,
Your final sentence is exactly my point. When you compare the 50 and the 30 as they were intially introduced the two were pretty comparable, with only the blades and the engine stuff different. I was going to upgrade to the 50 when I got comfortable knowing I would have to buy blades and an Engine mount. Now I'll have to sink $120 more into it. My beef is that these changes came after the introduction and we 30 owners should be able to buy the upgraded parts at a discount too. Since the two version were intially introduced with only minor differences. If they had had major differences it would be one thing but I can't return my kit and get a 50 at this point. I know it might sound like sour grapes but I feel I do have a valid point.

12-13-2001 Over year old.

Greg Takacs
Veteran
Location: Fort Worth, TX

jmiceli11,

Actually the upgrade from Sceadu 30 to the Sceadu 50 is more than just an engine mount.

You'll need:
- engine mount
- fan hub
- muffler
- blades
- new clutchbell

Total Cost $200 at least! + engine for $170.

Now add the $110 for the 3rd bearing and the DTDS on top of that, and you'll see that at the current pricing schemes it's not worth it to upgrade a Sceadu 30 to a 50, it's a lot cheaper to sell the 30 and get a 50. But it was like that from the beginning IMHO so it's no big deal....
The Sceadu 30 is trully for the budget minded beginner who wants something better than the raptor, but will not get into 3d seriously. The 50 is the ultimate budget 3d machine on the market, and right now I think is an AWESOME value!!!

12-13-2001 Over year old.

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Ken B
Elite Veteran
Location: Phoenix, AZ

Um Greg...hold the phone

Greg, I have to step in on you here. The parts to change from a 30 to a 50 should not cost anyone more than $100. Despite what you find the inividual parts priced at Heliproz.

Although we are speaking hypitheticly at the moment since the parts can't be bought yet. Also the upgrade kit might get repackaged to add in the previous DTDS, and 3d bearing. So who can really say what it would cost to move from a 30 to a 50.

I feel a little short changed as well but that's what I get for being the first kid on the block to own one or two

But hey, our loss will benifit others and that's what we have been whinning about in the first place.

Just wish it was a deal like what Thunder tiger did for Raptor 60 owners. (I went there)

Ken B

12-13-2001 Over year old.

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TotlKaos
Senior Heliman
Location: Vineland, NJ

Welp I have to sound in!

I have to agree with Greg on the points that he has brought out...
Remember Altech does not HAVE to do this! They are listening to customer demand.. They could just leave the kits as is and keep selling them, and they are selling well as is.
My opinion on 30 to 50 upgrades are this.. If you want a 30 - buy a 30
If you want a 50 buy a 50.. all Machines that I have seen that you could upgrade from 30 to 50 would never really justify the cost. As far as parts pricing... look at every other Heli manufacturer out there.. if you were to buy the heli part by part.. the heli would cost 10 times as much as the kit. I think Altech and Jeff went out of their way to mod the kit so that the consumer would be happier with the kit as it showed up to thier door. But again it didn't have to be done!
Also Altech is discounting the upgrades that they are putting in the kits to present kit owners.. again.. did they have to do it?? NO!

Sorry but as an exclusive flier of Hirobo/Altech I had to speak my mind!!

12-13-2001 Over year old.

Greg Takacs
Veteran
Location: Fort Worth, TX

Doing the math again.......

So again, if you'd want to go from a 30 to a 50 you'd have to buy:

An upgrade package that contains the:
- engine mount
- fan hub
- clutch bell with 10 tooth pinion
- muffler

This will be around $90-$100.

THEN you'll need a set of blades: $85- $105

THEN you'll need an engine: $170

THEN you'd need the DTDS and 3rd bearing block: $110

Total cost of upgrade:$460-$485

Total price difference between getting a 30 or a 50 in the air from scratch (less electronics):
Blades for the 50: $85-105
Engine Price Diff: $65

Total Difference: $150-$165

Total Savings: $295-$335

SO, if you can sell your Sceadu 30 for around $300 you're better off just selling it and buying the 50 instead of upgrading not to mention you'd get a brand new machine with no wear and tear. OK, I did forget to subtract the fact that you could sell your engine from the 30 if you'd upgrade so it is not completely fair math..... but pretty close.

Giving the DTDS and 3rd bearing block with the 50 is finally something that justifies the price difference between the two kits. Had they included V blades instead of the DTDS and 3rd bearing it would be about the same deal but then there would be still the stripping gear issue, while this way that one is solved as well.......

12-13-2001 Over year old.

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jmiceli11
Senior Heliman
Location: Girard, PA 15 min west of Erie, PA, USA

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I think everyone is missing the point I have been trying to make. Altech has changed the rules after the game started. I was prepared to spend the extra money to upgrade to 30 to a 50 when it was time. This was because the only differnces between the two versions affected the engine gear(mount,clutch, etc) now the kits will have a major change costing a fair amount of money. And everyone who thinks Altech is doing this for alturistic measures are a little fooled, as this forum alone shows word of a faulty design spreads quickly. Altech didn't want another Raptor 60 debaucle. I guess I'll end up like volkul, a beta testor for Hirobo. Probably will still buy a new Helo kit from them but I'll be wary and choose one that has been on the market for a while. Finally a related idea, don't you think including the glass 570mm blades with 30 is a little flawed logic. If the 30 is now to be marketed to beginners wouldn't it be better to give them cheap wood blades?

12-13-2001 Over year old.

Hockeytown
Veteran
Location: Pontiac, Mi. U.S.A.

I am kinda on your side, John. I didn't get the Sceadu yet (but I certainly will soon) for the same reason I don't buy the first run of a new car. Oversites are made, and things that look good to a marketing department don't always go over so well with the public.

Personally, I was waiting because I thought they would address the "Overheating" issues I first read about with a new design or the shroud, or addressing the complaints over the semi-symmetrical blades very few people wanted.

I like the new changes to the 50s, and I WILL buy one in the next 2 months. Those who chose to wait will also benefit. The problem here is that there are exceptions to every rule, and Hirobo needs to address the concerns of those who chose to jump at a new heli, and essentially made it a success!!

Hirobo is a company with alot of integrity. Make your point to them, and I would hope they will take care of you..........it would do nothing but make them look even better in our eyes..........and they know.....WE ARE WATCHING!!!........right HHI

Darin

12-13-2001 Over year old.

beedub
Senior Heliman
Location: Arlington, Tx

Newbie and Fiberglass blades

If they are a true newbie and crash they can put woodies back on. They will not know the difference. As far as the upgrades to the .50, at this time my machine is not having problems so I don't NEED them. I just want them.

12-13-2001 Over year old.

Greg Takacs
Veteran
Location: Fort Worth, TX

John,

I did get your point and that is the price you pay for being the new kid on the block wether you like it or not.

Even at the current Sceadu version I don't think it's worth to upgrade the 30 to a 50 it costs a LOT more than to get the Sceadu 50 to start with.

Darin,

I don't know how much to stress it, there is NO overheatig issue with the Sceadu that I know of. Volkul (Ken Bryant) had a faulty OS50 in his Sceadu and it was going lean constatly and eventually ruining the engine.
Myself has never experienced the overheating issue, my OS 50 has yet to quit during flight after 37 flights. I am not running mine rich at all, it is able to pull 11 degrees of pitch on my 600mm MS blades. So again, I do not see an issue there.
The people having issues with overheating (I can't say specifics as I have yet to hear one) are probably unable to tune their engine right.
But if you are really worried you can make your own shroud or buy one from HeliProz for $14.

So if the only thing keeping you from gettig the Sceadu is the non-existing overheating issue feel free to jump in! However at this time I'd wait until Jan 1st so the 570mm blades are gone and are replaced by the DTDS set, that makes it a lot better deal!

12-13-2001 Over year old.

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Ken B
Elite Veteran
Location: Phoenix, AZ

my take on it

I think this is more of an Altech/MRC offer than it is a Hirobo offer. This is being done only in the states as far as anyone here knows. I have the oppertunity to see these things from a world perspective. This is definatly a local US issue/offer.

I also think that the 30 kit will come with the woodies and the 570's. Like the Freya/Vblade combo.

Of course all of this is pure speculation on my part and should in no way be confused with fact.

Ken B

12-13-2001 Over year old.

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Hockeytown
Veteran
Location: Pontiac, Mi. U.S.A.

Thanks for the info Greg.

The only reason I am waiting is that I just bought my wift a "HEX" stand-up tanning unit for SEVERAL THOUSAND DOLLARS!!!!!!!!!! My turn will be closer to spring.

Also, I figured the overheading was an engine thing, or better yet, a "user error" in mixture. Even if it was the Heli, I have seen the part to correct, so no big deal. I was really more concerned with getting blades I didn't want, so the new 50 bundle looks great!!!

Thanks

Darin

12-13-2001 Over year old.

Greg Takacs
Veteran
Location: Fort Worth, TX

Darin,

just for you I made a poll about overheating

So in the springtime when you're ready, just buy the bad boy and fly the heck out of it!

12-13-2001 Over year old.

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Hockeytown
Veteran
Location: Pontiac, Mi. U.S.A.

Well Greg.........Now I can't say "you never did anything for me!!"

I am definately at ease and now I am REALLY READY. I think I will start dropping hints to the wife just after New Year's.

Thanks again

Darin

12-13-2001 Over year old.

Greg Takacs
Veteran
Location: Fort Worth, TX

Darin, LOL!!!

12-13-2001 Over year old.

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jmiceli11
Senior Heliman
Location: Girard, PA 15 min west of Erie, PA, USA

Upgrade out burst

I would like to offer my apologies to Jeff G for what what might appear as flaming of him on this Forum. If I appeared to be doing so I deeply regret it. He has repeatedly offered to help me out and he and I have never met. My interaction with Jeff G can only be summed up with one word, Class. I don't regret the context of what I posted just tone. After rereading my previous posts it might appear I was angry with Jeff G personally, I was not. I used his name in the posting only because I thought he was the Altech technical rep and concerns should be addressed to him. I hope Jeff G will accept this apology.
Sincerely,

12-14-2001 Over year old.

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Jimicelli11

Jimicelli11

What Point are you trying to get at???? what rules has Altech Changed??? the last time i looked at my manual it says "product subject to change" what Faulty Design are you talking about??? main gear probelms?? how can you use this froum to denote a Faulty design in the machine??? your looking at a small piece of the pie. Have you done worldwide reasearch?? to prove that it is a faulty design?? I am sure if this was a Worldwide problem the proper measures would be taken to resolve it. I have logged over 100 flights on my Sceadu 50 and have not had a problem with it not to mention the 7 other Sceadu flyers at my field. have you onced stopped to think that maybe they "Altech" is listening to the public? sure I bought my kit and hey so what I will be glad to send another 46.00 to get the DTDS I think that is an awesome promo. If your experiancing a problem why dont you call Jeff??? he's a class "A" act and I am sure he will do everything in his power to help you. Maybe the upgrade is not only for the 50 size did you call and ask??? Finally if you have a problem dont flame someone at least let the guy deserve the flaming.

12-14-2001 Over year old.

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