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Tornado1
Heliman
Location: Frankfurt, Hessen-Germany

hi CJames,

you looked at the wrong photo.
the photo with all the carbon that saboo posted, yes it's a 3DNT by Henseleit.

But the graphics that dnam posted, this is the new Revolution made by Heli-Professional, the helicopter we are talking about and it has absolutely nothing to do with the 3DNT.

about the plastic sides: i think that it won't have carbon sides instead of the palstic ones, but i'm going to ask the producer and give you a definitive answer.

robin

01-27-2005 11:31 PM

dnam
Veteran
Location: Herndon, VA - USA

The Revolution looks to be a really well designed helicopter, I especially like the pipe tail rudder control and the box at the front.

It will be for those looking for a big 90 sized heli. For all out performance the Henseleit 3DMP (e-version or .91 nitro version, which are both 50 sized) will be better as weight is a lot less at 3.3kg vs. 4.2kg.

Also I think Jan's modular setup for the 3DMP is better if you want to swap electric power to nitro power at the field. I really love this idea. Fly your one or two batteries, and if you still want to fly, but not wait for the batts to charge, just pop on the nitro module in a few minutes and off you go flying again!...

01-28-2005 02:21 AM

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rototom
Heliman
Location: Europe

Switching versions

Hi dnam,

do you really believe that switching a MP from electro to nitro is done in a couple of minutes?!! First you have to buy additional parts...

Switching nitro to electric powered or viceversa on a Revolution is very easy, because

1) you don't have to buy another additional parts
2) you have to change only one single part, and you are ready.
3) at the nitro version, the clutch unit is installed in less than 5 minutes

Also keep in mind, that the REVOLUTION suggested retail price is 999,00 EUR. If the dollar will raise (I am shure it will), the REVOLUTION is going to be a "best for your buck" offer also in U.S.

at http://www.heli-pro.de you will find also english information for the revolution for better understanding... (the english language was added yesterday!)

Best regards
Thomas

01-28-2005 07:44 AM

Alistair
Key Veteran
Location: no where land

so the frames are alloy then? the main frames that is....

squigle

01-28-2005 09:13 AM

dnam

Veteran - Location: Herndon, VA - USA -

Yes, they say the tempered aluminum main frame is stronger than carbon fiber.

Thomas,

Thanks for the webpage link, I already read it before I wrote my previous post. I do like the Revolution very much, but I think you are not right about being able to change from nitro power to electric faster than on 3DMP.

On the 3DMP there is a electric module and a nitro module that you can very easily detach and reattach to the upper module which holds the main gear, mainshaft, blades, tail boom and electrical equipment. Here are a couple pictures from www.henseleit-helicopters.com The electric is the final version, but the nitro module is not finalized yet. Changing of the modules involves only 6 screws and that's it. Takes literally just a few minutes! Unscrew screws, swap out one module to the other, rescrew, go fly...

On the Revolution a lot more things need to be taken apart and then reassembled to make the change. I mean for example the throttle servo is in the black nose part, so you would need to either leave it on and carry its wait or take it out when the motor is removed. Also removing the motor involves a lot more than 6 screws. You have to take off the muffler then the black nose piece then udo all the screw holding the engine to the main frame etc.... The gas tank will either be dead weight or you have to take that out too seperately. All in all a lot more steps and time than with the 3DMP. I don't think I would like to do this at the field.

If someone wants this added option of changing from e-power to nitro it will be more expensive with the Henseleit 3DMP that's for sure you are right. Just the electric kit costs $835 Euro, then you need to buy the nitro module as well....

Both are very unique machines with great features and I think it will come down to personal preference. If someone wants the best power to weigh ratio among all helis with great quality and flexibility and is also satisfied by a 50 sized heli they will choose the 3DMP. Someone looking for a full 90 sized with the flexibility of two power sources also with great quality and many great features will choose the Revolution.

I for one can't really decide yet.

Have to wait till Revolution comes out...

01-28-2005 10:17 AM

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dnam
Veteran
Location: Herndon, VA - USA

I tend to lean towards the Henseleit though for it's engineering simplicity.

01-28-2005 10:27 AM

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rototom
Heliman
Location: Europe

Hi dnam,

yes of course, I won't switch the revolution at the field. But I also don't think that most of MP-Flyers like to do this.

The eMP is a very nice heli, no question!

I personally prefer smaller electric powered models with lipoly accus not greater than 3s, 4s and 5s configurations. It is a lot of work to watch 50 lipoly cells (all people here in germany are running the MP with 10s5p), balancing... and also loading that stuff on the field makes no sense to me.

For this, I also would prefer the REVOLUTION nitro version of course...

For me, both concept are quite different and not comparable. Also the rotorhead is not comparable. I flew 2,5 year a Three Dee NT and know what I am talking about.

The flight characteristics are very different. The REVOLUTION head has much more options for customizing flight characteristics (the REVOLUTION rotor head is the same as the TORNADO rotor head, which I am currently flying for a year).

Best regards
Thomas

01-28-2005 11:43 AM

CJames
Key Veteran
Location: Back in KC

probably wont be long before they do get available to switch within a few minutes, the more I look at those two designs, the more I am seeing things I like. I would still like to see a 3dnt or revolution up close and in person though.

01-28-2005 01:47 PM

dnam
Veteran
Location: Herndon, VA - USA

Yes, Thomas there are many differences between the two I agree. I only compared the two design's power plant changing abilities.

I wouldn't charge those big batts at the field either, that is why I like the 3DMP. The change can be done under 10 minutes if you want to fly more!

As for the Revolution, man that thing is such a sweet design too! The more I look at it the more I like it. It looks like a lot of thought went into it. If the quality will be as good as the computer drawings I will be really tempted.

01-28-2005 04:07 PM

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rototom
Heliman
Location: Europe

Some REVOLUTION manufacturer information

I received today some information from heli professional itself, asking me to publish this on this topic.
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We would like to take this opportunity to address some concerns in this forum regarding our revolution helicopter. The undercarriage of this performance aircraft is an injection molded component designed to incorporate the landing gear as well as the fuel tank. Fastened by eight screws allows quick replacement in the event of a crash.

The mold itself is currently in production on an american made HAAS VF-3 vertical machining center. This high speed 3D mill is running these parts after hours allowing us to keep costs at a minimum. Heli professional has combined it's design and manufacturing capabilities to provide you with a state of the art aircraft.
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Yes, they are using U.S. made machines for getting a solid rock quality...

Best regards

Thomas

01-28-2005 04:40 PM

Jason Adamo
Senior Heliman
Location: Port Charlotte Fl

That thing looks good i can't wait till the vid's come.

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01-30-2005 03:25 AM

Ted Toth
Elite Veteran
Location: Myrtle Beach S.C.

Quote
That thing looks good i can't wait till the vid's come

Same here
I think I am starting to salivate..

.

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01-30-2005 03:29 AM

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Crusty
Senior Heliman
Location: N51 degrees 29.823 minutes W3 degrees 16.133 minut

What country made the machine to produce the mould is not gonna make a blind bit of difference to anything, what was he point of that post?
Marketing B.S.....it makes me laff

I am dsylexia of borg..resistance is fruity...your arse will be laminated

01-30-2005 08:47 AM

nocontrol
Veteran
Location: Cape Town, South Africa

Crusty - NASTY is not the word - why could you not just make your point like a normal human and not like an asshole? You could even asked him why he posted it - he might have a reason you did not think off.

02-01-2005 06:39 AM

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p401
Heliman
Location: Australia

The design is truly simple and so I have put my order in last week. If it flies awesome, it will be my #1, if not, still great to look at!

02-02-2005 08:07 AM

dnam
Veteran
Location: Herndon, VA - USA

Cool! Did you pre-order at RC Mundi? Did you have to pay the whole 999 Euro upfront?

02-02-2005 04:00 PM

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Vance
Veteran
Location: York ,PA

Why would they want to make the landing gear the fuel tank? All that liquid weight hanging so far below the centerline of the heli makes me believe it would have a somewhat slower response to flipping commands. There seems to be all that room between the frames back there for a fuel tank that would be pretty colse to the heli's CG.
And please tell me that the photo above with the battery pack hanging out in space up there on the front of the heli is a prototype picture before they worked out the CG. That battery would disconnect on the sligtest mishap causing the motor to overspeed and implode as they all tend to have a spring action in the open direction.
Looks like a nice heli though.
Vince D

02-02-2005 06:27 PM

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renso
Heliman
Location: germany

hi vince,

that heli on the "real" photo is the "3d mp" from
jan henseleit and not the "revolution" from

heli-professional.

cu renso

02-03-2005 08:17 AM

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dnam
Veteran
Location: Herndon, VA - USA

Hey guys,

Any updates or videos of this thing?

03-09-2005 04:24 PM

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Johnny_VI
Heliman
Location: Victoria - Australia

bump

Fly until you CRY!!!