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Bill Ludwig
Veteran
Location: Tucson, AZ

I'm running the stock Hacker motor in a stock Ion.

The weather is starting to warm up a bit in Tucson - 80 degrees today, and I can't get the flight time I was getting when it was cooler. When the ambiant temp was in the 60s, I was getting 12 minute flights and keeping it to the 170 degrees that Hacker recommends not to exceed. Now that it's 80, I can only get 7 minutes and the motor is 182 degrees.

Any suggestions for getting more cooling to the motor? Chris?

Thanks,

- Bill
01-19-2005 Over year old.
 
 
rcman
Veteran
Location: Logan, Utah

Bill can you tell me what sec gear you are running
I am up in Utah as you know and I run mine all year long last year with no trouble
The best combo for me is stock Hacker 55 tooth sec. gear on 700mm blades I run to 6 min flights and end at about 175 degs
David
01-19-2005 Over year old.
 
 
Bill Ludwig
Veteran
Location: Tucson, AZ

I'm running the same gear, David, and am using 680 blades. If I kept my flights to 6 mins, I could keep the temp down as well, but would like to get back to my 12 minute flights.

- Bill
01-19-2005 Over year old.
 
 
Bill Ludwig
Veteran
Location: Tucson, AZ

I'm running a 100% throttle curve per suggestions from others on this forum.

- Bill
01-19-2005 Over year old.
 
 
JonMann
Senior Heliman
Location: Clayton, CA

Switch to the Heli-Actro motor

With those ambient temps, really doubt there will be a way to get a single 12 minute flight with the hacker motor. I switched to the Heli-Actro motor and not only does it have more power than the hacker, but it runs very cool with the open can and Chris's little white fan on top.
01-19-2005 Over year old.
 
 
rcman
Veteran
Location: Logan, Utah

Bill, its funny I ran a little hotter with the SAB 680 over the MAH 700
It may be that I don't need as much colective with the bigger blades

Jon is right if you go with an Acro motor the temps go down some
I have a stock Ion and one with an Acro in it and yes the temps are lower with a little more power

I know I know I hate it too when you have a problem and people tell you well you have to buy this or that but is one is ture

Maybe Chris will shed some light on this when he gets a free minute
David
01-19-2005 Over year old.
 
 
chriss
Senior Heliman
Location: Sunny Florida

Hi Bill

Sorry I didn't get to this sooner, some days I just can't break away long enough to turn on the computer.

Intuitively, if ambient temps come up, so should your motor temps.

Check through the heli and make sure nothing has changed. Make sure everything turns freely. Have you noticed an increase in headspeed? Decrease? Have you recently changed any of the speed control programming?

One thing that I like to do is to shoot an auto every few minutes as the flight goes on. I feel the upwash of air through the frames during an auto helps to strip heat from everything, especially if your rockin' and rollin'. You might also allow a minute or two in the middle of your flights, kind of a breather to allow the motor to get off it's knees.

The curves you are using and blades should be fine. You might bring down the center points in idle up, I think mine are around 80 and 90%.
This is just to keep things from getting too fast when i unload the disk.

All in all though, as temps go up, you will have to shorten flight sessions (not overall time in a discharge cycle) somewhat to keep the motor temp in the safe area.

Chris
01-20-2005 Over year old.
 
 
Bill Ludwig
Veteran
Location: Tucson, AZ

Thanks for the suggestions, guys.

Chris - just a side note....I installed the newe open tail gear box on my Ion and am VERY impressed with the engineering that went into it. Extremely robust!

- Bill
01-20-2005 Over year old.
 
 
chriss
Senior Heliman
Location: Sunny Florida

Glad to hear it Bill. I hope it does well for you. Now if I could manage to finagle a couple for myself...

Chris
01-20-2005 Over year old.
 
 
Vernon Barrett
Heliman
Location: Kansas City MO

rcman I'm sure the reason the temps are down is because the MAH blade present less of a load to your motor due to the tapered rotor design. I would bet your run times are up as well.
01-21-2005 Over year old.
 
 
chriss
Senior Heliman
Location: Sunny Florida

"I'm sure the reason the temps are down is because the MAH blade present less of a load to your motor due to the tapered rotor design."

Bingo, I'm positive that's it, good thinking Vernon.

Chris
01-21-2005 Over year old.
 
 
rcman
Veteran
Location: Logan, Utah

I have tried a lot of blades and I am very happy with the way the MAH blades work and feel (and no I am not a field rep for them )
David
01-21-2005 Over year old.
 
 
lawrenmd
Senior Heliman
Location: Orlando FL.

Ditto for me, after going to the MAH blades motor temps are down and less juice from the batteries in an 8min flight!!!!!

Dave
01-21-2005 Over year old.
 
 
East Coast Tanics
Senior Heliman
Location: SOUTH DAYTONA FLORIDA

I would agree the Mah blades are the way to go. The Mah 95mm tail blades i like alot also fixin to try some Mah flybar paddles
Bobby
01-24-2005 Over year old.
 
 
rappyripper
Heliman
Location: Decatur Alabama and Suzhou China

Which MAH blades to be exactly? There are quite a few different ones out there. I have the stock Ion with the Hacker.

Thanks,

JB
01-26-2005 Over year old.
 
 
rcman
Veteran
Location: Logan, Utah

I am using the MAH Gen 2's 700mm on my Ion with the 55 tooth sec. gear, There is some guys useing MAH 690mm as well I prefer the 700
Hope that helps David
01-26-2005 Over year old.
 
 
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