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e-Miniature Aircraft Furion - Razor - Ion-X > Hacker Prog-Box question
 
 
Bill Ludwig
Veteran
Location: Tucson, AZ

This is a long shot, because Hacker couldn't answer my question, so here goes....

I'm using the optional Prog-Box to set the auto-shutdown for 3.0 volts. There is supposed to also be a screen that allows the user to decide how the controller shuts down when/if it reaches that voltage. It's called the 'Cut Off' screen. It allows you to choose between a Hard or Soft slowdown. The screen is described in the manual, but does not appear when in Heli mode. It does appear in Airplane mode.

I'd REALLY like it to give me a Soft slowdown if I ever reach the 3.0 volts!!

- Bill
11-23-2004 Over year old.
 
 
JonMann
Senior Heliman
Location: Clayton, CA

Bill,

Welcome to the world of ION's (BTW, your Fury Extreme is still flying great, although I mostly fly my ION these days). Heard about your Raptor/ION model boo-boo, sucks whent that happens!!

I'm not positive about the answer to your question, but I think in heli mode it really doesn't matter whether it soft or hard cutoff. The difference is an immediate stop versus a slow spin-down of the motor with really no power), either way you are going to loose HS very fast and would need to Auto down in order to prevent something bad from happening. I don't think that if they gave you a soft cut-off in heli mode that it would give you enough power to really make any difference in trying to fly the heli down, I've had the soft cut-off happen with planes and the RPM drop dramatically when the ESC goes into cut-off. I really think it would have no value to keeping a heli in the air.

Obivously you don't want to run the batteries down so low that they would get to cutoff, and I check my pack voltage before each flight so I know where they are at (20.6/8v before first flight, 19.2/4 after first, before second flight). I actually set my cut-off to 2.8v, if the packs do get low, and you have a sharp burst of current, you could have a momentary drop in voltage that would be below 3.0v/cell - and this would not hurt the packs if it is momentary - but it does prevent a premature cut-off. By watching the voltage and the watching what the packs are taking with my typical flying, I am pretty confident that I would never fly them below 3.0v, not even getting close to that today. I know this will start some kind of debate, but it is the way I set it up and working well for me.

With the Actro 32-3 motor I am getting two 6 minute 3D flights and the packs are taking about 7200 to 7400mah to recharge and the pack voltage is still above 18v, so getting alot from the packs but not getting them too close to cutoff. JK flew my heli about two weeks ago, he was tearing it up and I had to ask him to bring it down cuz I knew it was getting real close to the end of the packs. Voltage on packs was 17.6v and they took 7800mah to recharge!!! I don't think you can get much closer to the end than that, but they still did not go into cutoff during flight.

-jon
11-23-2004 Over year old.
 
 
Bill Ludwig
Veteran
Location: Tucson, AZ

Thanks for all the info, Jon. Same here, regarding all the Ion flying -- my Tempest and Rap 50 are collesting dust right now!

I understand what you're saying. Too bad they can't program the controller for a true 'soft' shutdown - so you could notice a power loss, but continue flying long enough to recover from some unusual attitude, and bring it down safely. Oh, well...

Bill Ludwig
11-23-2004 Over year old.
 
 
chriss
Senior Heliman
Location: Sunny Florida

Hi Bill

Glad to hear you are working with the prog box, I think you will like what it does for you. I think the "hard"/"soft" shutdown thing is only for airplane mode. In practice though I don't think it will really much matter to you as the heli will not fly very well down at 30 volts anyway and you will most likey be on the ground before then.

Chris
11-23-2004 Over year old.
 
 
ELOSSAM
Veteran
Location: Es

The voltage shut down feature comes in inmediately after a low peak voltage or its neccesary to hold this low voltage for a few seconds.
Is it possible to completely disable the voltage shut down feature and not only reduce its target voltage?
All that refered to the 77-O hacker ESC.
01-19-2005 Over year old.
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chriss
Senior Heliman
Location: Sunny Florida

Yes, you can override the LVC by telling the control it is running on Nickel chemistry batteries. I have used the LVC quite a bit lately as I have been messing around with some different batteries. What happens when it engages is that it cuts the power way back, not off, but enough to at first make you thing there is something seriously wrong with the heli. Everytime it has happened, I was able to recover and auto down.

Chris
01-20-2005 Over year old.
 
 
ELOSSAM
Veteran
Location: Es

Thanks Chris, Its supoposed not to be any major differences if using the Nimh configuration with Lipo batteriers?
01-20-2005 Over year old.
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chriss
Senior Heliman
Location: Sunny Florida

"Its supoposed not to be any major differences if using the Nimh configuration with Lipo batteriers?"

No, this works just fine, but there is no voltage monitoring. So, your on your own with that. But , in practice, the heli will not really fly very well at that level anyway, so it's really pretty hard to not realize it's time to land.

Chris
01-20-2005 Over year old.
 
 
ELOSSAM
Veteran
Location: Es

Thanks Chris, thats exactly what I was looking for.
One thing more. A friend who is the owner of this ESC told me the ESC shows Heli Master77-3P Opto 8 -30Nicd but all the info I can look for him about this ESC shows 8-32 Nicd. That makes me think he doesnt own the latest version of the 77 -O ESC and may not suitable to be used with the prog box.
He bougth it at the begining of this summer in the States all included in the ION kit. Anyone know if its the same dog with different collar?
01-20-2005 Over year old.
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rcman
Veteran
Location: Logan, Utah

You are correct if the ESC lable show Heli Master77-3P Opto 8 -30Nicd it is a older version
The newer version has has Heli Master 77-3p 8-32 NC/ 3-10 Lipo

I have never been able to get the programing box to work on the older ECS you have to do it he old fashion way (by moving the sticks )

David
01-20-2005 Over year old.
 
 
ELOSSAM
Veteran
Location: Es

Thanks David, will give the bad news to my friend. Is it posible to override the LVC playing with sticks instead of using the prog-box?
01-20-2005 Over year old.
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