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cubeleo
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Location: San Jose, CA

...you stay in a vertical dive with collective at 0 degrees for too long (before you hit the ground, that is)? My thinking tells me that the flybar loses its ability to fight the main rotor's pitching tendancy and the disk will try to go flat either upright or inverted, which is probably a bad mix with a 80-90 mph airspeed...

This question comes to mind as I wonder how long a dive, death spiral or tailslide could be sustained. I imagine with those last two, the tail will blow out on you first.

Can a safe terminal velocity be reached if you're constantly rolling on the way down?

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Here's a poor quality video I found that might be related to the above ponderings. It's some sort of diving (not vertically) Split-Ess attempt that ends bad...but it looks like as the speed comes up really high the heli starts trying to diverge from going straight on its own.
http://infinitefish.com/eric_b/baron60dead.mpg

Aaron
06-29-2002 Over year old.
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freestyle
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Location: Redmond WA USA

diving vs. flying

[...] you stay in a vertical dive with collective at 0 degrees for too long (before you hit the ground, that is)? My thinking tells me that the flybar loses its ability to fight the main rotor's pitching tendancy [...]

Thing is, during the dive you're at or near zero collective, so the 'lift' (if there is any) is very slight, so there is little or no tendency to pitch one way or the other. If something weird happens, it will happen during the pullout.

That video is difficult to make sense of, because the whole thing is a blur between the dive and the wreckage. That heli went from flying to wreckage in a heartbeat, so I don't think it was very high... the problem was probably either mechanical failure or just pile-it error. People routinely do extended knife-edge plummetting stuff from much higher altitudes without any trouble. A tailslide with three rolls takes a lot longer than that video showed, and yet you can pull out with full control as long as you pull out in time.

There have been a couple of reports of blades snapping off during the pullout, but I think that has more to do with blade strength than aerodynamic effects.

Far as I know, as long as the blades are intact, the heli behaves well. Has anyone been able to consistently get the heli to do something unusual (read: change orientation without pilot input) during the descent or pullout?
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Kurt64
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Location: Salladasburg, PA

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pile-it error

I love that phrase!
06-30-2002 Over year old.
 
 
eric_b
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Location: Denver, CO, USA

diving video

That's my video. The engine died midway through the split-ess, and I couldn't pull out. By the time I realized the engine was dead, I didn't have much blade speed to work with.

Assuming the rotor head design is sufficiently rigid, You should be able to dive at 0 degrees pitch all day long, provided overspeeding isn't a problem (given enough altitude!). I'm not sure what the terminal velocity of a diving helicopter is, but helicopters inherently have quite a bit of drag to keep them from going too fast. The biggest danger, as freestyle said, is in the strength of the blades and rotor system to handle the load during pullout.
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