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Miniature Aircraft Nitro/Gas Helicopters > oh how i love the fury, let me count the ways...

Alistair
Key Veteran
Location: no where land

in the last 5 weeks.....

i have exploded 3 sets of gears in the tail box.

destroyed 2 crown gears.

i don't even recall how many dampners/shims/clips i've destroyed .

killed the auto hub.

and split one TT.

well that's just neat.... scotch neat.

i've never had so much down time due to mech. issues before.

christ

squigle

11-18-2004 12:23 AM

AzHyper
Veteran
Location: Peoria, Az.

That's what happens when you move to Az - you fly more!

11-18-2004 01:09 AM

Alistair
Key Veteran
Location: no where land

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well i dont thinks its really a mechanical issue as its probably an improper assembly/repair issue

nope... that's not it

i've have knowledgable MA fellows check the ship out many times. we've taken it apart put it together, taken it apart, put it together, taken it apart, put it together............

squigle

11-18-2004 01:20 AM

Alistair
Key Veteran
Location: no where land

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you fly more!

lol.... not when the heli is constantly exploding... lol

squigle

11-18-2004 01:20 AM

Alistair
Key Veteran
Location: no where land

it's an extreme

91

red yep yep yep

mesh... fine. no backlash... runs(ran

) smooth. metal tail box
no excess crunching... certainly not too loose. yes, i've the proper grease in the box (tri-flow and i've tried some others... that wouldn't do it anyways).

squigle

11-18-2004 01:46 AM

Alistair
Key Veteran
Location: no where land

i've used that grease too.

i'm not doing anything wrong.

squigle

11-18-2004 03:32 AM

3dwanabe
Senior Heliman
Location: Concord, CA

You must be a very abusive pilot if there are no assembly or set-up issues. Do you have similar problems with other brands? My guess is that you do. Banging sticks will make any helicopter fail prematurely.

Roy

11-18-2004 05:21 AM

Alistair
Key Veteran
Location: no where land

i have TT problems, but i expect that.

the amount of gears i've gone through is unacceptable though. my last failure was the crown gear getting killed... first flight of the day... there abouts of noon. 5 mins into the flight... crown gear go boom.

i ask a lot of the tail, that's for sure.

wouldn't this irritate you?

all i'm asking is that it stays together for at least 4 gallons... lol

gears have been somewhat of an issue for me, so they get specail attention in particular from me. usually they last ok. main gears or usually fine. crown and counter gears i watch. i end up replacing a lot of TT's. at least i have oodles of TT bearing and couplers

well, actually the couplers wear pretty good too.

any sound suggestions here. i could be nicer to the heli, but that will only last a min. or two. :P

squigle

11-18-2004 05:34 AM

Billy Zimmerman
Key Veteran
Location: Rainier Oregon

LOL not meaning anything by this, but my raptor 60 is still on its original set of gears, i went out and bought a bunch of extra gears assuming theyd fail, i should have put that money towards rappy clutches

Raptor 90 SE YS91,Tiger50 OS50 Hyper, Vblades, OS&YS engines, Hitec Eclipse7

11-18-2004 06:22 AM

HOMEPAGE

blakka_1
Elite Veteran
Location: Northampton

alistair, if the fury gears are meshed properly you will not encounter any problems. For you to have broken 2 crown gears and 3 tail gears, doesnt this tell you that you are doing something wrong.

I say that you are doing something wrong because others here in this forum and on HF dont seem to be going through crown gears and tail gears like you. If meshed correctly the crown gear and tail gear will work like it was designed to without exploding. If everyones gears where exploding then MA wouldnt be in business.

so obviously the problem is the builder and not the machine.

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i've have knowledgable MA fellows check the ship out many times

with all due respect it is obvious they arent spotting/sorting the problem

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i ask a lot of the tail, that's for sure

so did Jason Krause, and so does Henry Caldwell but there tail/crown gears seem to be working fine ( no exploding in mid air ).

Alistair i understand your frustration but blaming the machine isnt going to help anything. Everyone knows the Fury gears are touchy, but once set up correctly will last and stay strong gallon after gallon.

seriously now, in order to get this problem sorted I would suggest you post your problem on HF.com, and let those pro's over there give you some help and advise, I hope you get the problem sorted.

11-18-2004 02:31 PM

Britflyer
Veteran
Location: Derby, England

Given what you say, clearly you need to fly within the limits of your equipment.

If you can fly a model that hard, then surely you can back off abit and fly within the limits.

Or if the machine isn't living up to your high standards, get rid, and fly something else.

There are MANY Fury owners out there not having issues, but sometimes what works for one guy doesn't another.

11-18-2004 06:12 PM

HOMEPAGE

Alistair
Key Veteran
Location: no where land

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LOL not meaning anything by this, but my raptor 60 is still on its original set of gears, i went out and bought a bunch of extra gears assuming theyd fail,

lol, lucky you

squigle

11-18-2004 08:15 PM

Alistair
Key Veteran
Location: no where land

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alistair, if the fury gears are meshed properly you will not encounter any problems. For you to have broken 2 crown gears and 3 tail gears, doesnt this tell you that you are doing something wrong.

no, i'm not doing anything wrong. i know that.

i've had many many people look at this heli. we've spent hours going over every last bit.

so let me get this straight. i'm doing something wrong huh. so all those TT's i've killed.... i must have done something wrong. they couldn't have just plain failed like that. that is not possible.

if you are going to post how i've set it up wrong, or that i can't build etc i'd rather you didn't post. i'm actually looking for a solution here. i cannot be the only one on the planet who's had these sort of problems.

you actually believe they've never had any failures do you... lol keep your hopes up mate. what you don't know won't hurt you

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Given what you say, clearly you need to fly within the limits of your equipment. If you can fly a model that hard, then surely you can back off abit and fly within the limits.

i think this is more of the problem. it just sounds like it's going to die in the air

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Or if the machine isn't living up to your high standards, get rid, and fly something else.

yes, perhaps..................

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your heli is trying and trying to tell you something

likely... and likely it's saying... no no, please no more. back off. give me a fooking break already...

i would like to get at least 4-10 gallons before something in it dies. that is what i expect.

solutions please. ie... have you tried this yet....

squigle

11-18-2004 08:25 PM

Racer38
Senior Heliman
Location: The Great White North ( MA )

I have been to many FunFlys lately and watch some really hard flying 3D guys like Henry Caldwell, Clint Akins, Matt Botos, Marcus Kim and a few others and I seriously doubt you are flying any harder than these guys are and the only failures they have are from contact with the ground.

Something is just not right, I have 2 Fury Extremes and have had no problems at all.

What engine are you running and what gear ratio ?? It should be 8:45 for YS and 8:18 on the OS, maybe the wrong ratio can cause these problems.

Craig (Alias Racer38)

11-18-2004 08:41 PM

HOMEPAGE

Alistair
Key Veteran
Location: no where land

8.18 OS

i do have rather high head speed though.

perhaps these are just freak failures....

squigle

11-18-2004 08:54 PM

Alistair
Key Veteran
Location: no where land

i've actually replaced the bearing a few times. i fought this for a while.

they tend to go bad when things blow up. perhaps they cause a failure even.

they are boca bearings right now.

i'm 100% sure the tail case is sound. that is definetly not going anywhere. lol.... watch... now next time i have a failure, the tail case is going to go flying 'cause i said that... lol

squigle

11-18-2004 09:04 PM

3dfreya
Heliman
Location: Greenville,S.C.

Sounds to me like Alistair wants everyone to think that he is a really great pilot,that he can do things that other great pilots cant do.Maybe he should post some vids for us mortals to see.And on another note;no one yet has reached the limits of what a heli can do.Like wingtip said I also think he really doesnt want any "solution" here,after all,he says that he built everything exactly right but is still having problems unlike all the other top pilots out there currently flying Furys

11-18-2004 09:08 PM

Alistair
Key Veteran
Location: no where land

i changed things on recommendation of others who beat their heli up.

i'm terrible, but there are quit a few great fliers out there.

and what are these things that these great pilots can do?

anyways, like i said i want a solution.

so please do not post. i just want to get this figured.

bye bye

squigle

11-18-2004 09:31 PM

Alistair
Key Veteran
Location: no where land

for the crown gear, i don't think i'm going to use the shim or the brass spacer anymore. that advice is from JK.

that is one of the suggestions i've gotten. i haven't got the shim in, but i've got the brass in. hopefully this will take care of the crown issue. and hopefully the tail gears will be fine.

i've always had tail problems. i just replace parts more often.

with the fury thus far.... a lot more often... lol

squigle

11-18-2004 09:34 PM

rockcrawler
Veteran
Location: Covington Wa

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for the crown gear, i don't think i'm going to use the shim or the brass spacer anymore. that advice is from JK.

I told all the MM punks to do this before JK did! (But who listens to me there right) But you did not have the fury yet. PS make sure you don’t eliminate the 2 shims on the auto hub. I have also found inserting
a piece of paper in-between the crown and pinion then having a buddy
pull up on the head with your feet on the skids to tighten the split collar works perfect for me.

Also no one has asked how the gyro is setup.
I know alister and he is VERY VERY abusive with the tail.
Whats your gain? and have you turned it down till it blows out, then
worked from there? I know you use a 601.

I might be your way this coming up summer for a rock crawling contest.
You know im bringing the fury.
:-P
PS: My tail gears were set up with the tinyst lash to compensate for the gears heating up. They are original, have been through many crashes,
and were lubed with SAE30 motor oil only twice. 15 gallons plus and still going.
(Insert smily flipoff face here)

11-18-2004 10:23 PM

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