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Al Magaloff
rrMaster
Location: 12,199 Posts- Enough Time Wasted. See Ya!

In your model, the compressor side would need to be two or three times the size. But the theory is sound. A Roots type supercharger could much more easily make the boost, but then you still have the split overlap issue.
11-22-2004 04:38 AM
 
 
Unbalanced
Veteran
Location: Melbourne, Australia

Ran across this thread related to cars. True or snake oil ?
http://www.rctech.net/forum/showthr...30&pagenumber=1

Best actual 2 stroke technology I've heard about is direct injection for 2 strokes:
http://www.orbeng.com/orbital/direc.../dioverview.htm

This with an ECC unit - tuning nirvana

Jeff
11-22-2004 05:02 AM
 
 
Alistair
Key Veteran
Location: no where land

he calls it a torque converter. i've seen it, and i've rode(rode lol) with it. i know that it works well. i don't know if it would technically be called a torque converter or not. it certainly is not a slipper clutch. and i dought a slipper would work as well. i don't know exactly what is inside of it either. i have never taken it apart.

sorry for the technical confusion.

squigle
11-22-2004 06:37 AM
 
 
Alistair
Key Veteran
Location: no where land

i don't think a super charger would make more power or be more efficient. besides, a turbo makes more torque, and that would be more usefull in a heli.

squigle
11-22-2004 06:39 AM
 
 
Alistair
Key Veteran
Location: no where land

i believe it. a turbo is completely possible for those engines.

squigle
11-22-2004 06:42 AM
 
 
Crusty Commie
Senior Heliman
Location: Wales

I dont want to sound mean alistair, but what the @*&£* are you talking about?

I am dsylexia of borg..resistance is fruity...your arse will be laminated
11-22-2004 08:22 AM
 
 
Al Magaloff
rrMaster
Location: 12,199 Posts- Enough Time Wasted. See Ya!

Crusty, I.ve been trying to figure the same thing out. We are talking about supercharging a glow motor, and how because it is piston ported, that is not possible. Alistair, knows a guy, who's cousin, knows a guy, who has a gas turbine engine on a moped, with disc brakes. The tail gears always blow out when the heaspeed is over 1850, and the moped is ridden(lol rode) inverted fast backwards. " Good God man! It's a safety issue!" Alistair, just a hint. If you want to BS me, and many others here, you had better be able to explain what's inside.
11-22-2004 10:18 AM
 
 
Furious Predator
Elite Veteran
Location: Kitchener, Ontario, Canada

I'm with Roamer

Instead of people bashing each other about somethine like this, why not run some sort of simulating of a turbo. such as what i mentioned earlier about hooking a line of compressed air to it. Then it can either be proved or disproved and get it over with.

Shawn
Team Leisure-Tech
Cratering the earth one heli at a time
11-22-2004 05:53 PM
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Alistair
Key Veteran
Location: no where land

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Alistair, knows a guy, who's cousin, knows a guy, who has a gas turbine engine on a moped,


you are one of the biggest idiots i've ever come across. and people take you heli god advice here.

you do not ever listen... either that, or you are incapable of reading.

my cousin is the person who does this. that's it.

you don't like it, fine. you can't accept it, fine. you think you can fly, fine.
you think no one else can fly, fine. you think only JK, TB, CY etc can be hard on a heli, fine. you think your shiite is bullet proof 'cause you think you can build... hahahaha that's funny, but fine.

if you don't want to know, don't fooking ask. if you can accept the answer, then you weren't interested in the first place, and/or you can not accept that it is possible.

other poeple say it's possible however, you're not trying to shove you finger up their arse.

so again. piss off. be done with it. go play god in the TT forum or where ever they let you do it. you will not win with me, you are wasting your time.

you've yet to come up with anything intelligent. all you can seemingly to is attempt to insult me. funny things is the project is not mine. wrong tree mate. i don't really care, as you say this kind of shiite to everyone that has a thought of their own. ok ok..... well anyone whos thought is not the same as yours.

and how do you know what is possible and not possible? have you been playing with tubos your entire life? not likely. i dought you could actually afford them, so this is likely just a jealously thing from you. like a little girl.


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If you want to BS me, and many others here, you had better be able to explain what's inside.


that is too funny. my god man grow up.

you're out of your league mate....... lol

how can you even put your name up here then talk like such a dim-witted twit.... ruin your name. not to mention, i hope you can say these sorts of things to people faces when you meet them. you'd better not be one of those people that shuts up in person... that would be just plain stupid.
smidge bit for you here... i was just chatting on the telly two days ago with a mate. he was complaining 'bout twits on RR and how they think they are gods etc.... how they are always right everyone else is an idiot blah blah blah blah blah.... you guessed it. you you you. you little AL. your name was on his list.

i don't really care either way. just thought i'd let you know.

anyways. if you don't like it, and you can't accept anything just let it go.

for those of you that do care, or are just interested.........
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my cousin is german. last name of Wellindworf(SP?) and his turbos etc are in magazines in germany. i don't know which ones, but i'm sure you can look it up.

cheers

squigle
11-22-2004 05:54 PM
 
 
Alistair
Key Veteran
Location: no where land

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Alistair, knows a guy, who's cousin, knows a guy, who has a gas turbine engine on a moped


again ally... you need to actually read sometimes. it's a standard go-ped engine..... it has been fitted with a tubo charger. that's it.



squigle
11-22-2004 05:56 PM
 
 
Alistair
Key Veteran
Location: no where land

if you guys want a stupid stupid fast go-ped, he does make them using a yamaha three wheeler engines with go-kart tyres... lol

it even retains the the 5 speed basket. these ones are fun

squigle
11-22-2004 05:57 PM
 
 
Furious Predator
Elite Veteran
Location: Kitchener, Ontario, Canada

Al Magaloff

If you cant reply to a simple question without insulting people then just stop. i had asked a simple question about turbo's. all you seem to come up with are insults and your opinions that it wont work. This is about boosting power on these awsome machines, not acting like a red neck on Jerry Springer.

Shawn
Team Leisure-Tech
Cratering the earth one heli at a time
11-22-2004 06:10 PM
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Crusty
Senior Heliman
Location: N51 degrees 29.823 minutes W3 degrees 16.133 minut

quote:.....
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the extra air that gets blowed into the engine goes straight out the exhaust.


eh no... a lot of bits are changed. you don't use the "standard" components.

believe me, it works.

i just explained to a fellow how it works... too much typing, i'll do it later

YS.... lol yeah... not even close to a super charger... lol

"Watch this!! You're gonna LOVE it!!!"

Rememeber this?,sounds like you know what you are talking about, but since this all you have done is evade giving a explanation, with a excuse for not wanting to type a lot
...later on you type quite a lot indeed...I'll stop now as I know this has degenerated to personal attacks but just couldnt read this "stuff" without responding

I am dsylexia of borg..resistance is fruity...your arse will be laminated
11-22-2004 07:27 PM
 
 
Alistair
Key Veteran
Location: no where land

it gets a lot of different bits. lot's of things are changed. i couldn't tell you what for SURE, 'cause i am not the one who makes these. and he has not made them for a heli yet.

he's put a lot of work into them. they are very neat.

what is it exactly that you want to know?

it's a bit like installing a turbine on a car. most people shouldn't, 'cause in most cases it's a waste of money. lol

at any rate, you don't just slap on the turbo and go. you've to change a lot of things if you want it to actually work properlly.

so...... what in particular would you like to know?

squigle
11-22-2004 07:42 PM
 
 
Al Magaloff
rrMaster
Location: 12,199 Posts- Enough Time Wasted. See Ya!

Furious, Alistair calls me an idiot, because I press him to give details of a product that he claims will cure cancer. Right, so does snake oil. I make my living with turbochargers, superchargers, and horse power in general. I have many hours on engine dynos, testing and tuning. Does that make me an expert? Certainly not. What this experience (35 years) does give me is the knowledge base in this field , to determine if someone's power claims have merit, or not. Alistair telling me how a turbocharger hooks up, is like me telling an IT guy which button he needs to push, to turn on his PC. He makes claims he can't back up. He can call me all the names he can think of, fact is, he is wrong, what he says is fact has not been proven to be so, and until he shows me more than a wankers attitude, mine remains the same. If you would like to test your ideas, by all means, test. Be advised though, that the path that you trailblaze through the woods, will turn out to be a well beaten path, with many foot steps going before you. I'll help you in any way I can.
11-23-2004 02:19 AM
 
 
Imperio
Senior Heliman
Location: tecumseh okla 7487 ph405-598-6267

Turbo

Hey never seen a turbo on a 2 cycle engine usaully a tuned pipe nothing more won't work it would just blow straight through when the piston open's up the port's to a fuel charge say who cam up with this idea an air chamber like futaba has is as close as it get for this but ya could on a 4cycle for sure got a ys air chamber 91 4cycle and it will pull 16/14 apc prop now that's a prop for a 91 and os max has a super charge 120 4cycle i have one of those but it's kinda bulky but it run's rather well seem's much quiter
11-23-2004 02:35 AM
 
 
Al Magaloff
rrMaster
Location: 12,199 Posts- Enough Time Wasted. See Ya!

Imperio, you're wasting your time, man.
11-23-2004 02:37 AM
 
 
Furious Predator
Elite Veteran
Location: Kitchener, Ontario, Canada

Imperio


No offense..but that was rather difficult to read, should use more then zero 'periods' lol

Shawn
Team Leisure-Tech
Cratering the earth one heli at a time
11-23-2004 02:39 AM
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Imperio
Senior Heliman
Location: tecumseh okla 7487 ph405-598-6267

Time

Hey maybe so but got lot's of time it's been raining for about1 week here in Tecumseh Okla. sorry bought the punctuation
11-23-2004 02:41 AM
 
 
Furious Predator
Elite Veteran
Location: Kitchener, Ontario, Canada

yeah no kidding, its winter, waisting time is what i do best, i would take an old two stroke and modify it just for the sake of waisting more time, weather it would work or not.

Shawn
Team Leisure-Tech
Cratering the earth one heli at a time
11-23-2004 02:44 AM
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