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Bugsquawsher
Senior Heliman
Location: Pflugerville Texas

I was Learnin to fly with the factory radio settings in normal mode only.
Then a Hirobo Guy out at our field did some things to it.
I was lookin through the curves and playing around with the heli last night and found this.
The radio in normal mode , the pitch curve was 35,inh,75,inh,100
Mode 1 was 0,inh,50,inh,100

In normal when I pull the stick all the way low everything was fine.
in Mode 1 the servo was limited by the collective arm.
I did some mechanical adjustment and got it centered in mode 1 IE.... 0 degree pitch at half stick. Now I have 10+ degrees Positive and 9 degrees negative.
I'm not real worried about mode 1 yet.
But on normal mode. I set the pitch up to have -4 degrees at bottom stick and about 10 degrees full stick. and half stick is neutral.
Does this sound Good?
I think I'm going to need to work on my throttle curve some now.
I think its at 50% at 3/4 stick.
Thanks
Tom
I hope this makes since.
05-14-2002 Over year old.
 
 
Bugsquawsher
Senior Heliman
Location: Pflugerville Texas

35 looks and no answers so I guess I'm ok
I took it out at lunch and it flys GREAT.
Had to do a little tuning on the engine ,
I'm still not real good at that.
That Muffler is pissin me off though
it tried to come off again.
I was told that could be a sign of runnin too lean .
It bogs a little during spool up.
Then when I go full throttle from a hover it sounds pretty good . Maybe a little too much collective at full thottle though.
Is my spool up bog from the bottom being too rich.
I did lean it some and it got better.
During forward flight I noticed a little bog there too
Too rich? to much collective?
I'm learnin .
Thanks
Tom
05-14-2002 Over year old.
 
 
crosby
Heliman
Location: Iowa City, Iowa

muffler

Try to tighten the muffler when it's hot. You should be able to lock that rascal down if you get it snug when hot.
Your curves sound okay, if it bogs down, take out some pitch at that point on the curve, if it overspeeds/revs put in some more pitch. Keep your throttle more or less linear. That's how I do it anyway... Sorry, but I'm just learnin' too....


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05-15-2002 Over year old.
 
 
Bugsquawsher
Senior Heliman
Location: Pflugerville Texas

My throttle starts out 0 of course at no bottom stick
its 50% at 3/4 stick then 100 at full.
I think I need to change that and start changing pitch to slow the motor down.
Right?
Tom
05-15-2002 Over year old.
 
 
crosby
Heliman
Location: Iowa City, Iowa

Blind leading the blind

Well, as nobody else has chirped up. If I got your last reply right, did you say at 3/4 stick your throttle was at 50%? Shouldn't it be 75% to be a nice line from 0%-100%. Try to get the throttle as close as possible to straight. Then tailor your pitch curves to suit your flying. Hope this helps....


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05-17-2002 Over year old.
 
 
Bugsquawsher
Senior Heliman
Location: Pflugerville Texas

Yea
You're not the first one to tell me that.
The problem I was having was over speed on the head.
I got a Good set up from a Guy on Rcuniverce
He said the same thing
set the throttle linear. and then use the pitch curve to set head speed.
I will start all over as soon as this bad weather passes.
Thanks for the reply though
You just added to what I was told that makes me think even more that this is what I need ot do.
In other words , Your post was not a waste of time.
Tom
05-17-2002 Over year old.
 
 
concept1
Key Veteran
Location: Youngstown, OH

also check your throttle links are parrallel with the servo arm at 1/2 throttle( the arm on the carb and the servo arm) that way you get the smoothest throttle response at midrange ( were you need it most). then adjust pitch as neccessary. I keep throttle linear and adjust pitch as needed.
05-17-2002 Over year old.
 
 
JeepsRcool
Senior Heliman
Location: Bismarck ND

Why is this backward from I was Taught? Pitch curves are set and then the throttle curve is adjusted to accomadate. Every mode ,normal, idle 1 , Idle 2 has same pitch curve only throttle curve changes. I am now learning on linear curve after having -2 pitch at bottom[for long enough to hoover in one spot] now is -10. It is touchy but then I wont have to learn over again. I also flip into idle up 1 as soon as I get into hoover so I get used to it, and turning it off. SO keep your pitch curve linear -9 at LOW stick and 0 at mid stick and +10 at full stick. Then your throttle curve 0 ,25 ,50 ,75 ,100. In my idle up I have mid stick at 60 so it stays out of the mid range needle.
05-18-2002 Over year old.
 
 
Maxx
Key Veteran
Location: Shreveport Louisana

You need to set your pitch (s) on the bench and use the throttle to get to RPM you want at the field. If you are still hovering forget about the Idle up pitch and throttle curves, you don't need them right now! You didn't say which heli or radio you have so I'll be general. I would start like this: set your pitch curve to 0 at low stick, 50% at half and 100% at full throttle. Put the swashplate/levers in the middle of their travel and the collective servo arm in the position to give you a 90 degree pushrod run to the collective pitch arm. What you are looking for is 0 degrees M/R pitch at the center of the servo travel. Now adjust you ATV's on the collective to get the maximum throw you can get with your heli (you won't need over +/- 10 degrees). Now that you have the collective set for maximum pitch movement you need to go to the pitch curve and set it up...for learning to hover and fly around leave the hover point in the middle of the curve (50%) , you can learn the 3/4 stick hover later! A 1/2 stick hover will give you a "softer" collective feel that you need while you learn cyclic control, you can move the coll/throttle stick more and the heli will react slower than if you have the hover at 3/4 stick...set your normal pitch curve to 0 degrees at low throttle, your 50% stick to hover pitch ( 5 deg. for a .60 and 7 deg. for a .30) and your top end pitch to 9-10 degrees. Now set your throttle curve up the same way , servo at the middle of it's travel at half stick and the carb barrel at the middle of it's travel and the carb arm and the servo arm parallel to each other. Use the ATV's to set the end points first to ensure you are getting full throw without any binding (remember to pull the throttle trim all the way down when setting the throttle low end point!) . Now with the travel endpoints set go to the throttle curve and set the 50% throttle stick position to about 60% on the curve. This is a good starting point. If, when you go to start you heli the engine won't fire, move the throttle curve up to where the engine starts and idles at low stick with the throttle trim all the way up, then you can kill the engine with the throttle trim lever. Now go flying...if the rotor speed is to slow for your taste add throttle to the hover point, leave the pitch set as you set it on the bench...this way you won't be adjusting two things at the same time (this can lead to swearing, yelling and Migraines) . With this kind of set up you will find the throttle/ collective is smoother because you are using the whole throttle stick movement from low to high to control the engine and M/R vs. the (hover) at 3/4 stick setup that has 0 at 1/2 stick and full throttle at top stick...you only move the stick HALF as much for the same throttle/collective movement and that is way too touchy for learning to fly IMPO. The 3/4 stick hover set up trick is great for after you get comfortable flying around and have good control of the heli. BTW, because you set the collective ATV and servo up with the 0 degrees at half stick and used your Pitch Curve to set your actual pitch curves in normal, your pitch setup will only require you to go to idle up 1 and pull the pitch to -10 the center to 50% ( 0 degrees) and leave the top pitch at +10 to get a 3D curve when you are ready! Matching the throttle curves will be just as simple. If you are still hovering stay away from anything less than -1 degree of M/R pitch...when you start flying around go to your normal pitch curve and pull the low stick position down to -3 or -4...your heli will come down just fine without doing the "cinderblock" type of decent! Hope this helps... Chris
05-18-2002 Over year old.
 
 
Bugsquawsher
Senior Heliman
Location: Pflugerville Texas

Thanks Maxx
I have the Sceadu 30 and the JR 783 radio like it says in my signature.
I'm just past hovering. I just started forward flight.
I had set it up according to a guy from California .
It seems to be workin well
Today will be my first real test
I was only able to check it's lift off and hover to full stick transition here in my yard.
I will be out flying around today at the field as soon as I wake up all the way.
I will take your instructions with me too
should this little OS 32 be able to handle the full 10 degrees?
Thanks again
Tom
05-19-2002 Over year old.
 
 
Maxx
Key Veteran
Location: Shreveport Louisana

If you have the 570mm blades, stock muffler and run 15% then the OS 32 might only need 8-9 degrees of pitch top end...only the engine can tell you how much pitch it can pull. I flew Shuttles with that engine with a Helimaxx pipe and 550mm blades and the M/R rpm at 10 deg. would go from 1700 to 1900 in a full power climb...the Shuttle wouldn't give me over +/- 10 so I let it overspeed a little. Have fun and good luck! Chris
05-19-2002 Over year old.
 
 
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