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BladeRunner
Elite Veteran
Location: Ontario Canada. Member of "some sort" s

 OK, now I'm pissed!!! First my KSJ hex starter started to slip on the starter shaft, the plastic insert seems to be undersized. Fixed that by drilling right through it and installing a bolt. Now today I'm at the field, third tank all ready to go.......the starter is slipping again How can this be? Can't unscrew the hex shaft Seems like it's "welded" on there Turns out the damn bearing is seized!! This puppy ain't turning no way! This P.O.S. has only been used for about 1.5 gal.!!! It looks sooo nice all purple and everything........who gives a ****.......it dosen't work!!! Am I the only one having trouble with this expensive paper weight??? I did see a couple of posts from Heli-Gal, she seemed to have slipping problems as well. Anyone else having difficulties with this start system???? It's not like I'm turning over an 80 or 91 with it.....just a poor little 50!! What's up with that??????
05-09-2002 Over year old.
 
 
Naomi
Elite Veteran
Location: Ontario, Canada

Hey BR.. How did you get into that kinda trouble again hey.. hehe I though you had it fixed. mine is still working great except i didn't drill the hold though the adapter.. mmm that could be the problem.. did you by any change drill into the one way bearing?.. that probably would explain about the seized up.. mine, what i did was just cut a slot at the bottom of the adapter , put a pin back on there then just push the adapter against the pin .. then just lock it up tight. check your one way bearing see if you might have put a hole though it ..

Naomi
05-09-2002 Over year old.
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BladeRunner
Elite Veteran
Location: Ontario Canada. Member of "some sort" s

KSJ?

That's too funny Naomi......ya that MUST be it..I drilled a hole right through the bearing.....and it actually worked for 2 wks!! Gee...I MUST be good.
05-09-2002 Over year old.
 
 
Naomi
Elite Veteran
Location: Ontario, Canada

Ok how about $20.00 for your beat up ksj with the starter cone?

Naomi
05-09-2002 Over year old.
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BladeRunner
Elite Veteran
Location: Ontario Canada. Member of "some sort" s

KSJ?

OK, I'll give you the parts AND the $20.......just don't tell anyone.
05-09-2002 Over year old.
 
 
Naomi
Elite Veteran
Location: Ontario, Canada

don't tell anyone?..

hey everyone now knows.. you post message on public here.. hehehehe.. Ok it's a deal huh.. hey.. cool pics of your R22.. just noticed it on your gallery..

Naomi
05-09-2002 Over year old.
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PHI flyer
Senior Heliman
Location: Bowie, Maryland

...and if you did drill through the bearing I would have had to ask were you got that drill bit!
05-09-2002 Over year old.
 
 
BladeRunner
Elite Veteran
Location: Ontario Canada. Member of "some sort" s

KSJ?

PHI flyer, of coarse I didn't drill through a bearing; I would have thought that was obvious I did say I bolted through the starter shaft....if there were a hole through a bearing with a bolt through it, how would it work for 2 wks? Geez
furtura, it didn't come with a cone, what other uses would there possibly be.....other than helis????
All I need to do is come up with another one-way bearing to replace this one.
05-09-2002 Over year old.
 
 
PHI flyer
Senior Heliman
Location: Bowie, Maryland

I knew you did'nt. I think it would be close to impossible to do. I think the stainless steel bearing case would have laughed at most drill bits.
05-09-2002 Over year old.
 
 
helifan
Heliman
Location: Hamburg / Germany (4 years in L.A., CA, USA)

BR,
I had the same problems and tehn I got rid it (did the same what you did) and it holds well for about 1 year. Now the upper part is loose and I can't tighten it anymore. By upper part I mean the metal part which clamps the hex shaft and the little shaft after the one way BB. The side on the one way BB is loose. I can pull them apart without unscrewing. Anybody has an idea what I can do here?
05-09-2002 Over year old.
 
 
BladeRunner
Elite Veteran
Location: Ontario Canada. Member of "some sort" s

KSJ?

My front part that holds the hex shaft slipped as well The only thing I can think of now is using this pretty Purple P.O.S. for a paper weight. Or, somehow making the "slit" a bit wider so it can clamp a little harder. I sent an e-mail to K&S this mornimg to see what they have to say about it........time will tell.
05-09-2002 Over year old.
 
 
Doug
Elite Veteran
Location: Naples Florida....

Some day you will need to start that Concept
05-09-2002 Over year old.
 
 
BladeRunner
Elite Veteran
Location: Ontario Canada. Member of "some sort" s

KSJ

I think I'm going back to one of those rope and pully systems, you can always find a bit of rope.......as long as it's not long enough to hang myself with..I'll be OK.
05-09-2002 Over year old.
 
 
Beezer
Veteran
Location: Ontario, Canada

Hey Barry. Just bring it down with you the next time your in the area and let me have a look at it. Maybe we can figure something out to fix that P.O.S.
05-10-2002 Over year old.
 
 
BladeRunner
Elite Veteran
Location: Ontario Canada. Member of "some sort" s

KSJ?

Thanks Beezer, I will take you up on that offer!
futura, "if you don't attach the shaft you won't have any issues".....HUH??
05-10-2002 Over year old.
 
 
Twobeers
Key Veteran
Location: Toronto, Canada

Hey Futura, I just got myself one of those fancy purple starter things myself. The reason I got it is that I am worried that with the rubber thingy thing a ma bob doohicky is that I a worried that either myself or someone else might inadvertantly squeeze the trigger and the heli start shaft will fly out and cause someone some grief. My LHS at first told me that a rubber nose cone was not available for the purple attacher thing. A customer said yes there was one and went unto the internet and connected to Great Planes and found the rubber cone attachments part number. It is supposed to be in today, that reminds me, I gotta call to see if is there. So now I will have the best of both worlds. As for those who want to theirs out to install a bolt thru the starter motors shaft may I be so bold as to recommend that you use a small split pin. It is smaller in diameter than a bolt would be and also it is hardened steel.
You can find em at Home Depot in the nuts and bolts aisle in the plastic bins.
05-11-2002 Over year old.
 
 
miataguy
Veteran
Location: Santa Barbara, CA

So how would this split pin work? Drill a hole in the start shaft and wand base then insert the pin through these holes? Is it difficult to drill through the hardened steel of the starter shaft?

Official RunRyder Googlewhacker!
05-11-2002 Over year old.
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BladeRunner
Elite Veteran
Location: Ontario Canada. Member of "some sort" s

KSJ

My starter shaft already had a hole through it, for a pin that would "lock" the stater cone assembly on the shaft when you tighten down the retainer nut. I just drilled through the KSJ adapter base to pin it to the shaft of the starter. It worked very well until the one-way bearing seized up.......looking back it's possible that I got a bit of drill filings in there that I missed when i cleaned it, that may have caused the demise of the bearing. But that only caused the "other" end (starter wand) to show that it could slip as well. Over all this start system is finnished very nicely and it looks like a quality system.......but, there is a lot of room for improvements in the way the clamping system works. I'll see if my buddy Beezer can come up with a plan......he's a pretty good machinist and likes a challenge.
05-11-2002 Over year old.
 
 
BladeRunner
Elite Veteran
Location: Ontario Canada. Member of "some sort" s

KSJ

Yep, this is the one .......
You can see the through bolt at the base.
It seems to me that the plastic insert that goes on the starter shaft is a bit undersized, it won't allow you to tighten the bolts enough to keep it from slipping. I stipped the heads of those bolts tring to tighten them.
So after this "fix" the wand end started to slip it has only one bolt clamping the wand inplace. The short shaft that is in the front part of the system seized up in the one way bearing, I had to pound it out to release it. I e-mailed K&S and they haven't responded yet....I did get what I think is a "receipt", I say "think" because it's in Japanese!!
05-11-2002 Over year old.
 
 
BladeRunner
Elite Veteran
Location: Ontario Canada. Member of "some sort" s

KSJ

I think since I have the optional cone adapter part, when I get another bearing (looking now) BTW, the one way bearing is an;[ NTN NHF 10 ], that's what is written on it. I think I will use red lock tite (for shafts) and seal that sucker on there forever.....at both ends!!!!!! No more slipping for this guy. I have only used this on my OS 50.......immagine what would happen if some one tried starting an 80, or 91???? There is room for improvement on this one......as purrdy as it is....functionality is better that good looks......just ask my wife!!!
05-11-2002 Over year old.
 
 
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