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boyse
Heliman
Location: Thousand Oaks CA

OK flying the R-30 in the park having fun, the Raiders just beat the Chargers everything is good then loss of control at 8 feet in a flat right turn and WHAM!! I walk to the heli power down the rx and tx and begin to access the damage and sort things out.I look over behind me and here is this guy getting ready to hand launch his $75 dollar toy. Then it hit me this man and I must share the same freq. I take a deep breath while walking up to him and ask what channel are you on? 52 he replies (I fly 52). I almost exploded! "You mean to tell me you couldnt ask me what channel my heli was on?" I didnt want to bother you he said, he also said the he turned his tx on and watched me fly and since my heli didn't go down he assumed we were not on the same freq. I wanted to slug this SOB and stomp on his little toy. I did not. But after I asked if he would like to contribute 100 bucks to my repair costs he quickly gathered up his stuff and split in his $500 pick up. I needed to vent, so I explained what he did was wrong then ripped him a new awsho**e
11-19-2001 Over year old.
 
 
RappyTappy
Elite Veteran
Location: Las Vegas, NV

Hey boyse, how come you didn't respond to my e-mail I sent a couple of weeks ago about night flying? Did you not receive it?

Chris
Rex 500
Burning them electrons :D

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Mickey Tylo
11-19-2001 Over year old.
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Rotorhead
Senior Heliman
Location: Spokane, WA

That sucks, but...

Convenience has a price If you fly at parks often, your only attempt to protect yourself is to get an Amatuer Radio license (HAM) and switch your gear to 50Mhz. At least you have to prove you know what a radio does to buy gear on the HAM band, which is a start, and most guys selling it will make sure you are licensed. 72 Mhz gear is sold for "toys" in every gift catalog you pick up and Ebay isn't really doing much for protecting the band from people in $500 pickups either I don't know that I could have stopped myself from stomping though

I think I'll go to my club field and fly! Nobody in a $500 pickup shows up there very often
11-19-2001 Over year old.
 
 
Maxx
Key Veteran
Location: Shreveport Louisana

Boyse, in the AMA mag the airplane guys are almost ready to boycott the people who disturbute these damn things! Just as happened to you, people are losing their planes due to these cheap POS "Park-Flyers". While I'm sure the intent was different, (I Hope) these things are so cheap that Bubba can buy his kid (or himself ) a new toy and go and try to fly it ...totally ignorant of the fact that when he turns the Tx. on he could cost someone lots of money not to mention getting someone KILLED! I don't know what the answer is and I'm sorry you lost your Heli, If it happened to me the guy wouldn't HAVE his Park Flyer OR his $500.00 POS truck! I hope you get your bird back together soon...Maxx
11-19-2001 Over year old.
 
 
KC
Elite Veteran
Location: WA

I had a similar problem less than a year ago, I looked into all kinds of options like switching freqs, synthesizing, etc....I found the most comprehensive thing to do is to go up these fellows the second you see them pull out one of these planes even if its in the middle of your flight, assess their knowledge, get their freq, and offer to let them fly first, more often than not they rather watch the chopper because it is a novelty/attractive nuisance.

you got to be paranoid flying at parks cuz theres always some person that walks up behind you when you are practicing your zen or some dogwalker who traipses through the part of the field that no other jackass would (you know the long grass with the poison ivy you chose because thats where no "civilians" go)
then of course theres the guy who thinks its ok to be close to the heli cuz you are. I neednt give you the wet blanket speech about how flying at parks is dangerous and AMA doesnt approve......but I'll tell you that I have found it safer than the nearest sanctioned r/c flying field to me! especially if you scope out the park, know the times of least traffic, know the other "flyable" areas in radio range, befriend the park keepers, always be friendly to the "civilians", and GET THERE FIRST...which doesnt go over if a large group comes to use the field, they always amble on to it. dog walkers usually have this strange idea that the heli may hurt their dog and will avoid you if you got there first...sure beats competing with five other r/c planes in a similar sized space!
11-20-2001 Over year old.
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Dave_D
Key Veteran
Location: Philippines

I know I would get mad too if it happened to me. It's just that synth modules will solve half the problem unless I equip all the helis in my fleet with synth receivers, and that's too pricey for me.

Oh well, As for me, I'm still wary of flying anywhere where I don't know everyone else's frequency before I start. That's why I made a small whiteboard and stuck it on my flightbox so wherever I go, I can write down everybody's frequency. Since it's on the flightbox, even if I go to a funfly in a undeveloped area with no facilities, at least I can help everybody (including myself) by ensuring there's no conflicts.
11-20-2001 Over year old.
 
 
Doug
Elite Veteran
Location: Naples Florida....

I worry about anyone that looks like they may "drag" out a park flyer. A freq. monitor would be a good Idea. The LHS do a good job of explaining the "facts" of life to prospective buyers but the Wall Marts don't give a S##T.
11-20-2001 Over year old.
 
 
ZZ3Astro
Senior Heliman
Location: Panama City, Fl

After nearly two years of KB'ing at the local plank club (including building and maintaining "their" website, sitting in the seat of secretary and treasurer for 14 months, helping out at field days and generally being courteous and not flying helis when it would be a problem to a planker) I have suddenly noticed a rift forming between "them" and the heli guys.

When I joined, I was the only heli pilot.. in the past year, two new heli guys have appeared and have recently become active. Another guy used to come out but disappeared six months ago while mumbling something about the attitude of the plank guys. I told him he was nuts..

Well, my term expired this month and I am now just a regular member (I do still maintain "their" web site"). I have noticed a change in the attitude of the guys I have come to know as my 'friends' in the past couple of years. The two new heli guys refuse to pull their raptors out of the car if anyone is at the field with planes. This weekend, I found out why....

I just got my 9C and other new toys after taking a three month sabbatical from helis. This weekend I finally got the heli ready to fly so I went out to the field.. I waited a while and the flight line dropped from four planes to two planes.. perfect for my first real flight in three months. I was already fueled and ready... out to the flight line I went, placing my heli on the edge of the runway and making sure I had the attention of the two pilots in the air. I spooled up and lifted off... before I was five feet up, a cap232 shoots under my heli in a takeoff roll! That was kinda close - maybe he didn't notice me.. I walked down the pilot line to the west end so I could get out of the main flight pattern and do some flips and more dialing in of my curves. Within about three minutes of flying, there were SIX planes in the air, four of those right in the area of my heli. I auto'd down, defueled and departed along with the two other heli guys who were just watching anyway. How things have changed at my beloved heli-friendly club. No, how about "how things have changed at THEIR beloved heli-friendly club" ?!

How does this relate to the topic of this thread? Well us heli guys have located an outlaw heli field in the form of a huge park. Fortunately the park is poorly signed and most people don't know about it. There are no houses in the area so the only kids you'll see are with their family. It's not as nice as having your own controlled field, but it's 100 times better than having to watch out for planks and dealing with what I have been seeing lately. This subject of park-fliers is a scary one though. Maybe NOT having a hobby shop within 75 miles is a good thing! I'll be sure to keep an eye out for them.

zz
11-20-2001 Over year old.
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THier
Heliman
Location: Reisterstown, MD

My helis are all on PCM for that and other reasons. I have tried experiments with my 25fm and pcm, and the fm doesn't effect the pcm at all. I doubt if any manufacturer will put pcm in these "budget" (and if you notice I am being nice) planes. I only fly at our fields but that is not to say some isn't flying these things in a back yard nearby.
Tom
PS. as moch as I agree with the stomping of equipment in cases like this just say to youself does this jerk have a gun in his vehicle?
Or even would he be smart enough to sit in the parking lot every time you fly and crash you on purpose.
11-20-2001 Over year old.
 
 
Augusto
rrAdvertiser
Location: San Diego, CA

This is aproblem that has the AMA people seriously concerned. There have been numerous reports of even more serious problems generated due to this issue. As I understand it they're even thinking about proposing to limit park fliers to 27 MHz bands. We'll see what comes out of it.

Avant Aurora Ultimate
11-21-2001 Over year old.
 
 
THier
Heliman
Location: Reisterstown, MD

David,
I prefer not to try it in flight but testing it on the ground I had my 8103 on ppm and my 10X on pcm and it didn't lock-out or go into fail safe. I was trying to justify the cost of PCM for the rest of my helis that is why I tried it. Like I said I don't want to try it flying, at least not with my birds.
Tom
11-21-2001 Over year old.
 
 
ed vega
Key Veteran
Location: nyc, queens

thats why I purchased a base scanner .. although it won't help if someone turns on while you fly as in your case .. use it before going up or when someone wants to check on the freq ..

parks grounds are always a problem when not coordinated by a group .. I use to chase people down when they setup on the other side of the park .. and after flight I just leave the scanner on scan mode 72.000-72.999 etc...this will get all the freqs .. there have been times where you get hits when no one is around .. must be the mechanical cranes hehe ..
11-21-2001 Over year old.
 
 
THier
Heliman
Location: Reisterstown, MD

David,
I had problems with my 8103, it was to take a while to repair and turn-around so I needed another TX. I had a brand new X-cell that I needed radio gear, Servos, RX, switch, battery, and I wanted to put digital servos in it, so I decided to get a complete 10X.
Oh yea, I liked the 10X and this gave me a reason I could slide by my wife without too many complaints.
Tom
PS I didn't get questioned this much about it.
JUST KIDDING!!!!!
11-21-2001 Over year old.
 
 
boyse
Heliman
Location: Thousand Oaks CA

bottom line

Don't fire up until one checks for frequnecy conflicts, common sense here. I wish Mr. park flyer would of done it.
11-23-2001 Over year old.
 
 
jackd63
Senior Heliman
Location: Loveland, Colorado

revenge

when the weather is good keep your tx with you and maybe you could catch this guy at the park, then when he is well off the ground see what kind of hits you can give him then as he is walking back to his $500 dollar POS with the corpse in hand, drive by real slow with a big old texas grin.
11-26-2001 Over year old.
 
 
THier
Heliman
Location: Reisterstown, MD

Jack, The only problem with that is if they are smart enough they could do the same, at a much higher cost to "real" rc pilots.
Tom
11-26-2001 Over year old.
 
 
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